Amniotic Fluid Leak - Help Needed

[Dai]

Greetings everyone, 'tis been a long time.

My friend's wife who has a history of miscarriage is into the 13th of her pregnancy thanks to qigong treatment. However, just this weekend she had amniotic fluid leak and was hospitalised. She has been diagnosed for no breakage in her amniotic sac by examination through the cervix and even if she still receives qigong treatment, the hospital has nothing to offer and I have been called for help by the friend. What I think is the most likely cause of the leak is because she had a period of minimal diet for sickness before her conception and had infection just before this weekend, the amniotic sac has formed with defects.

In the past I learnt about how the flow of Nwyvre changes during pregnancy and based on the study it seems that such malformation of the sac is closely associated with alterations to or a lack of the flow of Nwyvre from the 'mother' earth to the womb and the rest of the body. On the strength of the study, at this weekend I am going to try cultivating the flow of Nwyv from a depth of the earth feeling it as the mass of life-force into the problematic womb to heal the amniotic sac. My friend places considerable faith on my healing skills and I am desperate to help his partner to have a healthy childbirth. Nevertheless, I would like to gain as much skills and techniques with healing a pregnant woman's womb as possible on this forum before performing what could be tremendously responsible healing practice. Please if you have any knowledge of such healing, please post a reply to help us.

Blessings,

Dai

[Bracken]

Dai, doctors aren't allowed to practise without a massive amount of study and experience.
It doesn't sound from your post that you are either a doctor or a person with any experience in this area.
Honestly, when you say,

What I think is the most likely cause of the leak is because she had a period of minimal diet for sickness before her conception and had infection just before this weekend, the amniotic sac has formed with defects.

aren't you just guessing?

It's unethical, Dai. You're asking for healers here to give you a crash course on

healing a pregnant woman's womb

and you're planning to use that information simply on faith. It's unethical.

Be a good friend to them. Wish them well. If they need practical help, give it. Take them cups of tea. Bring them flasks of soup. Water their plants and walk the dog. Light a candle for them if you like and send them your love. Don't promise that you can heal something that you know nothing about. It's not on.

Have I got it wrong?

[katie bridgewater]

If there is a way to stop a miscarriage, the doctors will know if it, and she will be in capable hands. If, as sounds likely, and at the least possible, your friend is about to miscarry again, then what they will need is good friends with love and support (see Bracken's post for info on how to provide this) in a difficult time of grief. There is absolutely no way that someone losing a baby needs to be told that their womb needs healing, that being ill caused the loss of a baby, or that chi gong will cure infertility, whether or not any of those things are, or may be possible. To suggest that what she did or didn't eat is the cause of this is a very irresponsible thing to do. Your friends are very vulnerable at the moment and will naturally be asking why this has happened. To tell them that they did or didn't do something to cause the miscarriage might be deeply damaging to them. The only responsible answer anyone can give (unless they work in a path lab and are conducting tests on the lost foetal tissue or the couple's chromosomes) is 'that it is bad luck and there is no reason.

You do not know why they have had these difficulties, and even if you do, it won't help. Also desperation,

I am desperate to help his partner to have a healthy childbirth

has no place in this situation and your desperation will only serve to augment the distress of your friend and his partner.

If they do, eventually have a healthy child, it would be wrong of you to take any credit, as it is wrong for you to speculate needlessly on the cause of their misfortune.
Trust me on this one. I know.

[Dai]

Well, they have a good reason to seek for esoteric treatment as the doctors at the hospital have practically abandoned her and there is nothing they had done except for giving her a course of antibiotics which was halted the day before. The information I laid out is not just guess but provided by her doctor by way of her husband.

I am afraid you have misread my post - I have promised no healing to them or they are not after any practical help. As a colleague at an accredited qigong school, my friend has come to appreciate my skills at his discretion and requested me to use them for his partner, which you cannot call 'unethical'. I personally think it would be 'unethical' to turn your back on them when you were in this situation.

Dai, doctors aren't allowed to practise without a massive amount of study and experience.
It doesn't sound from your post that you are either a doctor or a person with any experience in this area.
Honestly, when you say,

What I think is the most likely cause of the leak is because she had a period of minimal diet for sickness before her conception and had infection just before this weekend, the amniotic sac has formed with defects.

aren't you just guessing?

It's unethical, Dai. You're asking for healers here to give you a crash course on

healing a pregnant woman's womb

and you're planning to use that information simply on faith. It's unethical.

Be a good friend to them. Wish them well. If they need practical help, give it. Take them cups of tea. Bring them flasks of soup. Water their plants and walk the dog. Light a candle for them if you like and send them your love. Don't promise that you can heal something that you know nothing about. It's not on.

Have I got it wrong?

[katie bridgewater]

In my experience, Doctors do not turn their backs on women who are at risk of miscarriage. They treat if they can, and if not, they usually tell the woman gently that she needs to go home, rest up and wait. That they have given her antibiotics would indicate that they know that that might help and they they are doing something. If they are certain that she will miscarry, they will tell her to let them know when the inevitable starts. If they do not know the progonisis, they will just say to wait and take things easy. At 13 weeks, if the pregnancy fails, they may operate, but this they cannot do until they are certain that that the pregnancy will not continue. A doctor who 'abandons' a miscarrying woman is not a good doctor. I have never met such a doctor in this field myself. If this is the case here, your friend needs a different doctor.

You must bear in mind are interpreting your friend's interpretation of the doctors words. And bear in mind that your friend is in distress and is hoping above hope that something will work out so that he will not have to watch his partner go through another loss. And bear in mind that he will be wanting the doctor to save his baby, and wanting a reason or someone to blame if this doesn't happen. And if the doctors can't, he will be hoping that someone will have a magic solution that will save the day. Trust me on this one. I know.

There are many things that cannot be fixed. This is tragic, distressing and painful. At such times people turn to alternatives, but in reality, there is often nothing that could have changed an outcome in a case like this. She may go on to have a baby, or she may not. The outcome is probably already sealed. The doctors have not abandoned her. They just know that there is nothing that can be done one way or the other with the knowledge and tools at their disposal.

By all means offer alternative 'therapies'. But don't promise anything, and remember the fragility of your friends at this time. And don't encourage the idea that doctors will abandon their patients. Should they go on to have a baby either this time or another, it is better if they are open to the proven ability of the medical profession to help, rather than feeling suspicious and afraid.

[Dai]

Thanks for the reply. In the messages above, I am repeating clear and detailed reports which my friend gave at his discretion which he had clearly distinguished from his own interpretations. He is not hoping for anything as described in the reply above - he has not just turned to alternative treatments out of desperation and in fact his partner's pregnancy started with the 'esoteric' treatment right from the start and his partner's pregnancy had progressed way beyond the point of miscarriage experienced in the past.

I know that when people hear this sort of story, they tend to assume that both of the couple are in distress and they are seeking for a magical solution or something to hope/blame for. However, this is not the case for this couple. In fact the husband has studied the esoteric healing himself at the same school as me and opted to turn to my teacher and me at his own discretion alone. Just befriending with them only makes things worse as he knows himself well that social support works only to some extent and knows of the effects of qigong treatment through his formal education.

In my experience, Doctors do not turn their backs on women who are at risk of miscarriage. They treat if they can, and if not, they usually tell the woman gently that she needs to go home, rest up and wait. That they have given her antibiotics would indicate that they know that that might help and they they are doing something. If they are certain that she will miscarry, they will tell her to let them know when the inevitable starts. If they do not know the progonisis, they will just say to wait and take things easy. At 13 weeks, if the pregnancy fails, they may operate, but this they cannot do until they are certain that that the pregnancy will not continue. A doctor who 'abandons' a miscarrying woman is not a good doctor. I have never met such a doctor in this field myself. If this is the case here, your friend needs a different doctor.

You must bear in mind are interpreting your friend's interpretation of the doctors words. And bear in mind that your friend is in distress and is hoping above hope that something will work out so that he will not have to watch his partner go through another loss. And bear in mind that he will be wanting the doctor to save his baby, and wanting a reason or someone to blame if this doesn't happen. And if the doctors can't, he will be hoping that someone will have a magic solution that will save the day. Trust me on this one. I know.

There are many things that cannot be fixed. This is tragic, distressing and painful. At such times people turn to alternatives, but in reality, there is often nothing that could have changed an outcome in a case like this. She may go on to have a baby, or she may not. The outcome is probably already sealed. The doctors have not abandoned her. They just know that there is nothing that can be done one way or the other with the knowledge and tools at their disposal.

By all means offer alternative 'therapies'. But don't promise anything, and remember the fragility of your friends at this time. And don't encourage the idea that doctors will abandon their patients. Should they go on to have a baby either this time or another, it is better if they are open to the proven ability of the medical profession to help, rather than feeling suspicious and afraid.

[Dai]

I have received glad news. Her amniotic fluid had been refilled after a night of a distant qigong healing session and the foetus now has 155 BPM. Whilst some people would attribute it to the body's natural healing owing partially to the course of antibiotics, the refill and distant healing coincide so closely and no special medical treatment has been given at the hospital.

[Aphritha]

I'm glad to hear the condition is improving. I hope it continues to do so.

[Dai]

I'm glad to hear the condition is improving. I hope it continues to do so.

Thanks a lot. Gonna see her tomorrow.

[Aigeann]

I will keep you all in my prayers for the highest good and best possible outcome for ALL involved.

I do feel, though (and I state this with gentle lovingness) that sometimes things are ultimately for the best. Even when we at the time thing it is all the worst that could possibly happen.

[Corwen]

I will keep you all in my prayers for the highest good and best possible outcome for ALL involved.

I do feel, though (and I state this with gentle lovingness) that sometimes things are ultimately for the best. Even when we at the time thing it is all the worst that could possibly happen.

That is a very arrogant thing to say and ultimately extremely hurtful to those who have been through things like infertility, bereavement or serious illness. I know you don't mean it that way but saying someone's infertility might be for the best shows a serious lack of both intelligence and compassion. Anyone with their eyes open can see that we do not live in a perfect or just world. Terrible and sad things happen to good people while bad people prosper. This is just how the world is. There is no meaning to it, except that which we make for ourselves. If it is supposed to teach us, then it is failing as humans have been here a long time and the world is worse than ever.

I hope that nothing awful happens in your life, and if it does, I hope you never meet anyone so stupid as to say "maybe its all for the best".

[Aigeann]

Well, like most people I have had some not so great things (like my accident where I almost died followed by life long physical disabilities, two miscarriages) and they were for the best ultimately, I do truly believe.

I'm sorry we do not see eye to eye.

I will keep you all in my prayers.

Blessings, Aigeann

[Corwen]

What you feel about your own problems is your business, projecting platitudes onto others is not necessarily helpful and may be taken as belittling or patronising. As you say not everyone sees things the same way.

[Dai]

I am exceedingly pleased to notify you that the above person with the history of infertility has just had a healthy baby girl by Caesarean section against all the odds. The couple is extremely grateful for the ongoing qigong healing and attribute the healthy birth to it.

Added to this, I was told by her husband the other month that she had become pregnant for the first time in her life after being administered direct and distant qigong healing sessions.

[Aphritha]

That's wonderful! I'm glad everything turned out well.

[Cosmic Ash]

Congratulations!
I've not been on the boards for a while, so only just seen this thread. I feel your original post was treated rather (IMO) harshly and I wanted to offer you a little support. I am so glad everything has turned out well for your friends.

[Dai]

Thanks a lot. I just as the couple could possibly not understate the benefits of sending nwyv over as a group as she experienced gentle perspiration and warming followed by stopped leakage. Her husaband tells me the whole hospital team has been amazed as they assumed at a very early stage that it woud end up as a miscarriage or the baby would not be able to breathe once born.