Attila wrote:In my experience while one may learn much from deities, the awens and the divine infinite/universal of ceugant,
I learned of the Awen and ceugant from Philip...although maybe he is a bit demi-gody now, especially in light of the druid ruling in the UK.
Attila wrote: I wrote this in response to certain people [daily mail and other Nazis] stating that our morals derive from Judeo-Christianity, I presume inferring that anything else is wrong.
I think this might be part of a broader campaign building steam in Europe, although the shape it will taken is still up in the air...Angela Merkel just made some jaw-dropping comments about how multi-culturalism has failed in Germany and how their values are "Judeo-Christian"-based. Very surprising, given Germany's history, but looking at what is going on in France and Switzerland and other European countries, it seems to be a "rising tide" of opinion. I would argue, probably as you do, that modern liberal, secular ethics and values..morals, even..have more to do with the Enlightenment and Voltaire and various social justice movements...Karl Marx, even..(although that name may make a few Americans poop their pants!)... than Iron Age monotheism, and there isn't really much difference between what they are afraid of..let's face it...Islam....and what they escaped from...Christianity. So you have this confusion of modern liberal secularists, greying and dying traditional Christians and racists/nationalists all pointing fingers and getting panicky....they seem to have found a common enemy, but they hardly share a common cause.
Attila wrote:Morality derives not of religion.
I have never experienced direct intervention from such sources.
Can you think of a single moral which does derive from the ‘god’/s’?
Attila wrote: I have been to many forums even Nazi ones to get an understanding of this and none of the arguments make any sense
The right wing thinks it has won in capitalist terms
DJ Droood wrote:Angela Merkel just made some jaw-dropping comments about how multi-culturalism has failed in Germany and how their values are "Judeo-Christian"-based. Very surprising, given Germany's history,
Dendrias wrote:Is Germany's history full of nazism?
To #1 above- No, I have not ever experienced direct (or indirect) intervention.
I believe that my Deities watch over me in some slight way and either approve or disapprove of my actions. As long as my basic intent to follow their Archetypal beliefs is accomplished they will either agree or disagree with my other choices. If I were to vary widely from their beliefs they would probably just stop dropping by to say hello after awhile.
yes, like King Pyrrhus.
With hard times, unemployment and uncertainty it is always the opportunity for the right wingers to push their agenda. I hope that these are taken as warnings by the sensible majority to push back against such intolerance.
Attila wrote:yes, like King Pyrrhus.
I am intrigued, please elaborate?
Dendrias wrote:Your utterance is nothing more than offending b.s..
A victory, but at what cost? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
wolf560 wrote:In the end, maybe humanity is Evil and us individual humans are just trying to the best we can to survive without harming someone else....
By comparison the United Kingdom, the United States, and Canada all had National Socialist Parties as well so the Germans were not the only one.
In 1965 and 1966, the Canadian Jewish Congress helped organize the fledgling Canadian Nazi Party. That sounds crazy, but it's true, and I wrote about it in Shakedown, my new book about Canada's human rights commissions.
Merkel said too little had been required of immigrants... they should learn German in order to cope in school and take advantage of opportunities in the labour market.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off". "Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off,"
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