The sandman

[Attila]

The sandman

Is human existence inherent?

It makes no sense to me to consider life [and mind] as material, rather that it is like the ancient notion of the sandman. Like yeast is alive when you add water and dead when its dried, all life [the objects of] is essentially dead! It just so happens that there is something out there experiencing the whole thing, what we think we are is that experiencer and not the material form. ‘Life’ [the experiencer] is almost like a parasite in this context or at least I found it easier to understand as like that, I think mind has an effect on evolution and so life [the experiencer] as well as chemical reactions to environment are both parts of the overall equation.

If we imagine life as having humble beginnings we could then imagine it as wanting to grow and become evermore dextrous, so something like ‘human’ would be inevitable. Perhaps there are other shaped objects which could build complex machines and do all and possibly more than humans can, though I struggle to see what that would be ~ a land octopus or something. Either way ‘human’ is part of a group of dextrous objects which would eventually be reached.

On the other hand if the sandman is universal it is probably more likely that it is trying to get to what it knows it can become, in this case ‘human’ would be such a desired outcome. Maybe in the great scheme of things such knowledge is innate but hidden as like the universe must know the future [all-time] but denies this knowledge to itself.

Perhaps it is more like the sandman creates the environment for its own existence, hence universe and evolution etc. you probably get sand-god sand cat etc and the whole thing can be seen as the process of things becoming themselves.

[cat]

Er is dried yeast dead or dormant?
Some forms of life can hibernate this doesn't make them dead.
I guess this depends on your definition of life and death.
I guess in the grand scale of things nothing is truly dead just transformed to provide other life ie decay.


Cath

[Attila]

If we knew how we could throw a bunch of chemicals together and make life, just as life arose from a bunch of chemicals. I wouldn’t call that life no, I think life comes into the experience and consciousness in things.

Not the general thrust of the thread though.

[cat]

Life as in experince yes. Human life

Life as in exsitance is another thing.

To be honest i'm not sure what this thread is about.

[Attila]

To be honest i'm not sure what this thread is about.

The idea that life and humanity etc, is all inherent in reality ~ that it is a circle, the sandman takes form as we draw it in the sand then the waters come and wash it away. Within that time of existence universal mind experiences itself as life and as man.

Then perhaps the whole of reality is about a given form becoming itself, so the nature of the sandman is innate and nature will eventually become it.

Life is the experience of that in the present.

In fact the material world is there to service life and universal mind. Every facet of it is an impression upon the fabric of true holistic reality, some may call that karma or consciousness, but I think it has no specific quality, it just can be and is everything. Perhaps an image on a painting is as much a facet as you or I.

See also my multifaceted reality map thread for a further explanation of it.