Tynan Elder Oak wrote:... I certainly do not hold with the idea that just becasue a poor inca guy didnt 'hear' about Jesus he was destined for hell...
...There are many enigmatic relics which belong to the famous Europide population (part of Cro-Magnon, sometimes having the Brünn's or Predmost's features) which existed in South America (Eastern region), almost reaching the Western Australian shore and covering the Polynesian islands and the lands that sank during the last great deluge. We're talking about the population which was called by the Aymara Indians "Viracochas" ("the white man with red beard" or "the foam of the sea") and who called themselves, "The Sons of the Sun".
According to the Incas (1190 - 1570 A.D.), Viracocha was the creator of civilization. He was one of the most important gods and his name was not to be mentioned or pronounced by commoners.
According to "History of the Incas" by Pedro Sarmiento De Gamboa, "The natives of this land affirm that in the beginning, and before this world was created, there was a being called Viracocha. He created a dark world without sun, moon or stars. Owing to this creation he was named Viracocha Pachayachachi, which means "Creator of all things." And when he had created the world he formed a race of giants of disproportioned greatness painted and sculptured, to see whether it would be well to make real men of that size. He then created men in his likeness as they are now; and they lived in darkness.
Viracocha ordered these people that they should live without quarrelling, and that they should know and serve him." As men became bad, he decided to punish them; he turned them into stone, into things, and some were swallowed up by the earth and others by the sea. A general flood which they call uñu pachacuti, meaning "water that overturns the land", came over them. "They say that it rained 60 days and nights, that it drowned all created things, and that there alone remained some vestiges of those who were turned into stones, as a memorial of the event, and as an example to posterity, in the edifices of Pucara, which are 60 leagues from Cuzco."...
According to the e-book Nourishing Terrains, which discusses aboriginal religious beliefs, the story of Noah’s Arc was accepted by many aboriginal groups, but their understanding of it was somewhat different from the Abrahamic version:
“In many parts of Aboriginal Australia this story has been heard and accepted. What Aboriginal people have done by way of accommodation is to localize the story. Arks are usually understood to be secret, and although I have seen several arks and heard of more, I have never been authorized to say much about them. It is certain, however, that there are numerous Arks in Australia. And none of these is Noah's Ark; rather these are all the other Arks~the Arks for all the other people and countries and animals.
“In the logic of country it is not possible that all the people of the world could have been dependent on One God, One Noah, One Ark. Clearly, every country must have had its own Ark. It does not surprise Aboriginal people that Europeans talk about Noah's Ark, because that one is theirs. But equally, it does not appear to be reasonable that Noah had a monopoly on God or a monopoly on Arks. Those things which are truly important happen everywhere.”
Quetzalcoatl ,the White andBeared God
Author: * Xolotl Huascar - 79 Posts on this thread out of 322 Posts sitewide.
Date: Feb 5, 2003 - 17:21
INDIANS' UNIVERSAL TRADITION OF A "WHITE AND BEARDED GOD"
When the Spanish conquistadores and Catholic fathers first arrived on the shores of Mexico, Central America, and the various countries of South America, and when the English and French colonizers and missionaries first penetrated the vast wildernesses of Canada and the United States, they received from the Indian tribes scattered over the Western Hemisphere various versions of a tradition of a "White and Bearded God" who had in the distant past visited their ancestors, taught them their culture, and mysteriously disappeared, but who would eventually return to them. This "Fair God" we shall discuss under the title of Quetzalcoatl (Ket-sal-ko-at'l) by which he was known to the Aztec Indians of Mexico and their Toltec predecessors; however, he was known by various other names in the traditions of a number of other Indian tribes of North and South America.
Although the traditions from the various Indian groups regarding the "White Bearded God" do not agree in details, there being a variety of versions, yet in the principal points these Indian traditions from Canada in the north to Chile in the south have a close resemblance to one another. Dr. Daniel G...........
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