Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

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Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Kernos » 18 Apr 2010, 16:14

The thaw of Iceland's ice caps in coming decades caused by climate change may trigger more volcanic eruptions by removing a vast weight and freeing magma from deep below ground, scientists said on Friday. "Global warming melts ice and this can influence magmatic systems," vulcanologist Freysteinn Sigmundsson told Reuters. The end of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago coincided with a surge in volcanic activity in Iceland.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -volcanoes

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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Jalking » 18 Apr 2010, 16:48

Hmm... I don't think the volcanologists agree on that point. I heard another volcanoligist (also from Island) tell that the big volcano Katla that they worry about will be influenced only erupts by itself when the icecap reach a certain thickness.
That should be the reason why it erupts every 40-60 years over and over again. It is sleeping until the icecap is thick enough to increase the pressure from the weight of it and then it erupts - melting the ice and start the cycle all over again.

this is a massive contradiction from the above guy and I no longer know what to believe.
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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Kernos » 18 Apr 2010, 18:38

Can you document that, Jalking?

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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Jalking » 18 Apr 2010, 19:48

The news was in Danish, and was an interview with the volcanologist. I admit that I didn't read further into it before you claimed documentation, and I see that I (or the journalist that made the conclusion) was wrong.

The Icecap rises before an eruption and that's what I mistakenly took for an additional thickening of the icecap. The rising happens because of the huge amounts of melted ice that forms a pocket of water on top of the volcano. I isn't a thicker layer of ice, I apologize for the mistake.

The water however - adds to the violence of the volcano. Katla is known to have very violent eruptions because when a fissure opens into the magma, all the water streams into it and make a lot of steam pressure that will add to the force of the eruption.

The conclusion must be that the icecap doesn't do anything to facilitate an eruption, but it adds to the force of it when it happens.
http://www.evropusamvinna.is/page/ies_katla

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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Merlyn » 20 Apr 2010, 15:59

How does this conclusion explain the eruption of this same volcano in the 1870s? It rather ignores this.

It really does not address global warming in the anthropological sense. This seems to be an "apparent" assumption which ignores the history and facts.
It seems a stretch to think one degree average difference in atmospheric temperature would have affect on the movement and change in the earth core temperature or its eruptions of the liquid core. Rather it is more real that such eruptions do have direct affect on the average atmospheric temperature and that this would be more in sequence with the cycles and affects on the earth by its relationship and gravitational changes by the solar and galactic systems.

The movement in polarity and change in the core is more likely related to the greater cycles and evolution of the earth then anything we do. If anything, the release of CO2 by burning will have a cooling result after a short warming affect. From study of how the crust of the earth was created, originally the atmosphere was very CO2 rich, causing rain to cool the surface. Our situation now is a much smaller blip by comparison, but in a grand scale by our own life time, in comparison to the life time of the earth.

Though we could assert that global temperature will rise in a hockey stick way, and has, we also have to consider how the atmosphere reacts. In essence the mechanism of atmosphere will change to a rain cycle, and initiate cooling as it has historically. For the most part, this points to a man made ice age.
The sulphur that this volcano puts in the air will reflect the sun's radiation, and in fact cause cooling. This is as much a greenhouse gas as any other but has the opposite affect of CO2 and Methane. So again, if this article and its apparent conclusions are correct, the result is the same... global cooling as result.

Unlike some assumptions, ash is not a good thing for crops. At least not right away. It is however in the long run. (very long run)
Could these changes be related? Eruption, earth quakes? and atmosphere? The linking of ice to this cycle may be direct, but could also be cause and affect.

It is good that people are asking these questions, and of the things we do know, this time of change is coinciding with the observations made in the earth and it's association in space and alignment to other planets and the sun. Will this continue?
Will the changes become a wider scope than we might understand? I think most likely ... yes.

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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Merlyn » 21 May 2010, 23:09

Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano has been erupting for nearly a month, but it wasn't until clouds of ash halted air traffic in Europe this week that the eruption drew global attention. The volcano could continue erupting for months on end -- the last time it blew, in 1821, the eruption lasted for two years -- so climatologists are questioning whether the volcano will have a cooling effect on the earth's climate.

When volcanoes erupt, they release sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, where the gas transforms into sulfuric acid droplets, also known as aerosols, which reflect sunlight. Historically, large volcanic eruptions have caused discernible global cooling. When Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it emitted 17 million tons of sulfur dioxide that caused a 0.5-0.6°C drop in the Northern Hemisphere's temperature. Mexico's Mount Chichon eruption in 1982 also had a demonstrable cooling effect.

Advocates of geoengineering, or manipulating climatic elements in order to slow climate change, have suggested mimicking this cooling effect by spewing sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. One of the flaws in their argument, in addition to the need for an 18-mile-long vertical hose, is that sulfur dioxide is not all fun and cooling games. The gas also causes acid rain and wears away the ozone layer, a key barrier to the sun's rays.

At this point, scientists think Iceland's eruption is too small to cause cooling -- notwithstanding the massive disruptions it is causing to air travel in northern Europe. If Eyjafjallajokull continues to spew gas into the atmosphere, though, that could change. The eruption is already ten times more powerful than a different Icelandic one last month, and the ash cloud extends seven miles into the stratosphere -- so at least the sunsets are pretty.
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Re: Global Warming Can Trigger Volcanoes

Postby Kernos » 22 May 2010, 16:50

Merlyn and all...

If you are going to quote from other sources, please put the text in
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http://www.theatlantic.com/science/arch ... ing/39066/

http://www.2012thetruth.com/2012VOLCANOS.php

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