Fairys... what are they?

[cursuswalker]

I wonder what happened to it? It might have been deleted by a moderator. Maybe?

I really hope not. That would be a Bad Thing (tm)

It's happened a couple of times when I have tried to post a longer post. Ive been logged out too I think the only way around it is to copy and paste from Word, which I keep forgetting to do. Very frustrating!

From now on

[Huathe]

It may be timing out. When doing a long post I will often right click and copy the post to memory that way if for some reason when I submit the post and it does not take it I can post again and paste my message back in and that usually works. Copy/Paste has it's uses!

[reilz81]

hmm interesting topic the only memory i have of seeing one was when i was 10 i opened my cubbord to get some toys out or something i cant even remember what she said now but i remember how beautiful she was and how soft her voice was she had blue wings and all about her was blue light she is one of my spirit guides although i dont see her physically anymore i see signs that she is there in the form of dragonflys i have other guides and spirits in my life that use animals for messages so this isnt exactly strange to me i dont know exactly what the fae are i know that they have the lightest and nimblist energy i have felt that being said i have had experiences with the more naughty ones hiding stuff and being a nuasince my belief is that they once lived here long ago but where scared off most likely in the same fashion as the dragons were and now reside in one of the inbetween planes close to the astral plane

[eeepapillon]

Far as I'm concerned, till someone shows me absolute proof that something doesn't exist, I'll believe in it. Therefore I think there's more evidence supporting existence of fae than not. I remember trying to explain that belief to a friend in high school. They didn't understand.

I've never had a personal experience with a faery/fae, however I knew this older guy a while back who told me a story that had been accepted as a truth in his family and it was something his mother took to her grave swearing to be the absolute truth:

So his mother was born in England and sometime during World War II she was about 5/6 and at one point in her family there was a number of concerns about bombings/air raids which I'm assuming was common then. I can't remember where he said they lived but I have a feeling that it was a slightly more rural city than like a full-on city. Anyway so his mother who's still a child is woken up one night by a small blue faery that's telling her she needs to get her family out of the house immediately. According to his mum, the faery was very, very persistent in explaining that no matter what it took, she had to get the family out of the house and up the nearby hill as fast as she could. So the faery goes and the girl gets everyone in the house up and she's ranting and raving about a blue faery who told her everyone needs to get out the house. They didn't believe her at first but eventually because she was getting so worked up about the fact that no one was leaving the house, they decided to do as she wanted to show there was no danger. Apparently they got a little past the hill that the faery had indicated and their house was bombed a few moments later, but her family survived and it became a generally accepted truth from then on that a blue faery had spoken to his mother and saved their family during WWII.

I do wish I could run into this guy again sometime so I can run up and ask him to tell the story again, cos I'm sure I've forgotten bits, but anyway.

[wyeuro]

wow that's a great story, eeepapillon. i find stories like that convincing.
wy

[cursuswalker]

Far as I'm concerned, till someone shows me absolute proof that something doesn't exist, I'll believe in it. Therefore I think there's more evidence supporting existence of fae than not. I remember trying to explain that belief to a friend in high school. They didn't understand.

Then that means you have decided to beleive in anything you want to without regard to facts, as it is impossible to prove that something does NOT exist.

[Dendrias]

But hey, cursuswalker, she's got evidence. So what?

I think there's more evidence supporting existence of fae

[wolf560]

Wow.... not sure how I missed this discussion thread.

Let me say up front that I do believe that not all that exists can be seen by the naked eye nor experienced by everyone.
Not all that speaks can be heard by our ears or felt by our clumsy fingers.

That being said, I also believe that much of what was written of old may have reality as its background.
I am a fan of history and the written word and see our Ancestors peering out from between the lines sometimes.
I refuse to take "a little piece of that myth and mix in another belief so it is better"
A belief is a belief in and of itself, so if it has something negative it is there for a reason

The Fae Folk, otherwise known as "the Good People" are not just a bunch of little people with multi-colored diaphanous wings.
Many of them seek out humanity in order to kill them or harm them.
Hawthorns or other 'thorny trees' we avoided because they were thought to be "the abode of Faeries"...
Shellycoats, Pookas, Brownies, Goblins, Hobgoblins, Leprechauns, Pixies, Faeries, Elves, Gnomes, Trolls, Ogres, etc.

The Seelie Court (Righteous or Good Fairy folk) and the UnSeelie Court (Malicious or Evil) are famous and deserve recognition and reverence as well.
The Seelie Court would often invite mortals to the realm becuase of the mortals skills or (more often) their beauty.
The UnSeelie Court was often blamed for exchanging their babies for human ones which led to a whole slew of child abuse in the Victorian age.
I also find it interesting that people believed the Fae Folk would give up their own children for any reason.
Emain Ablach (the Isle of Avalon), Tir na n'Og (the Land of Beauty of Youth), and Magh Mell (the Beautiful Plains)....
...were all destinations that you would be able to access if the Seelie Faerie Queen were to give you the 'Silver Bough' (a silver branch from Avalon with bells hung upon it).

There is so much more than just a pack of tiny hovering humanoids with shimmering insect wings.
As a matter of interest, the insectoid wings are a recent addition since in Victorian times they rode sticks and small birds.


The one things that many of the Celtic Tribes had similar stories about were "those that came before" being driven underground by others.
In Ireland it was the Tuatha de Danann that were tricked into taking the "lower part of Ireland".
They thought that by signing the treaty they would get 'southern Ireland' where in reality the treaty gave them 'the land under the land'.
The Tuatha used magic in order to shrink themselves so that they could fit into the realm more easily.

Faerie Mushroom rings would cause time to slow way down and would shrink any human as well.
Cairns of stones, boulders with hole underneath, and Barrows were all where one could "find the Fae Folk".

Villagers would use the term "The Good People" out of (some would say) fear as much as respect.
Changelings were the stolen children of humanity by the Fae Folk, and as recent as a century ago people still thought it happened.
There are stories of husbands killing their own children because "the child was a changeling anyway".


If you are going to take a step down a road of belief, be prepared to walk a good distance and take in all the scenery.

Not all Faeries are good, or bad, or even care one whit about humanity.
Some hated humanity and blamed us for where they had to live because they had to live in holes and barrows and such...

I do "buy into the Faerie belief" to a point...
...but I take it in its entirety and do not really call upon them or seek them out...
......my belief is that if I were to actually find one Faerie then I would find many more nearby...
..........and since few of the Fae Folk really have our better interests at heart, I do not risk contact with the rest that might appear.


As in all things in life there is a Balance
You cannot get anything without giving something
There is no "Magic Potion" where you only get what you wish for ...
...there is always something like the "Monkey's Paw" waiting for you

[cursuswalker]

But hey, cursuswalker, she's got evidence. So what?

I think there's more evidence supporting existence of fae

What evidence has she got?

[Corwen]

It seems obvious to me that Faeries are a real psychological phenomena, and that this phenomena is the same as the Alien phenomena. The experiences are the same, the imagery closely related. There is no doubt that people have these experiences, but that doesn't mean that this is because of something real in the world separate from us, as it could be a facet of human psychology we don't understand yet.

I try to keep an open mind, but I don't see much convincing evidence for Fairies or Aliens having an external reality.

[D'Arzhur]

Reading Earth Light from R.J. Stewart ....lots about the Fairy world

[Dendrias]

Villagers would use the term "The Good People" out of (some would say) fear as much as respect.

That's the same that happened to the Erinyes (in Latin they're called "Furies"): When Athena settled the cause over Orestes, they were incorporated into the "pantheon" of Athens as protective rather than persecuting powers. And to show that change, they were called the "Eumenides", "kindly wishing ones". Even as Eumenides they were very very frightening.

[Heddwen]

I recently encountered The Fey a couple of days ago. The pesky wee sprites seem to have no sense of "community", unlike us OBODs who support and are kind to each other.

[wyeuro]

talking about the nature of fairies is talking about the nature of many quite different species of human-like beings that are not in material bodies and so visible only to people with their 'psychic eyes' open, as it is termed in the gwersi. the irish fairies do not resemble the so-called jacobean type. shakespeare's pease-blossom doesn't resemble the banshee or the washer woman at the forge or the cornish knockers or the brownies, gnomes, pixies, any of the various and diverse types of elf, or the trooping fairies of folklore. some people are sociable and congenial, some aren't. those old texts are very unreliable sources of info and filled with translation errors that relegate perfectly mundane, earthly peoples to fairydom. elves are known to have been human - their arrow heads are quite real archaeological finds. the same is true of many of the literary and folklore fairies. brownies are brehonies. yet, their afterlife world is real and, much diminished in stature, as many seers have commented, they are regularly seen by seers like myself.

the only sure safe way to know about any of them is to do what people who claim to see and communicate naturally and easily with them do. find a place you love and work actively to harmonise yourself with it, not mindlessly dominating nature but learning to work with it for mutual benefit. get a debriefing from the mainstream - new-age therapies offer many ways to do this - adopt a fairy oriented life-style incorporating a health plan aimed at vitality, purity and subtlety - no junk-food or cruelly managed meat - grow your own biodynamic or at least organically fertilised vegetables, learn to bless water, earth, compost, dung, the air, the light the slow green-fire in the leaves of plants, make your own flower or fruit wines, wear natural fibres and avoid excessively radiant technology as much as possible. use the mass media cautiously and selectively (it's a sort of mental diet and should be wholesome and authentic), train yourself to meditate, play music, draw or write - reach your soul and let it be there for you, learn nature's ways from nature, respect but don't believe everything you read, socialise cautiously and selectively, and actively search your inner being for the impressions that telepathic others leave upon it. do some sort of training in opening your psychic eyes - the obod course works if you let it. learn to feel when you are 'yin' or 'yang' and how to switch from one to the other or a state of balance at will, yoga helps, get a good cat who knows his/her job. don't worry about what others think or will think of you if you start admitting to believing in them, or even to staying open-minded. stand firm when neighbours and others try to cure you of your radical stand.

live this highly-attuned lifestyle conscientiously and single-mindedly for about twenty or thirty years. choose your type(s), make your shrine(s) of some sort, make offerings, proclaiming your intention in spoken words addressed to 'them'. meditate deeply, soft-gaze flowers and places that seem charged, eat flowers and herbs, and play your music for them, and speak your wishes and intentions to places that seem slightly more 'charged with vitality' than others.

above all, don't let skeptics tell you what the acceptable limits to belief are or should be. it's getting easier and you might be lucky if you're destined to see, you may see them as soon as you clear your life for the purpose, but most would need longer. but one thing is certain: anyone who has not tried this experiment - twenty or thirty years of focused in-house training - is really not equipped to comment.
wyverne/|\

[DJ Droood]

I recently encountered The Fey a couple of days ago. The pesky wee sprites seem to have no sense of "community", unlike us OBODs who support and are kind to each other.

I think the admins should try to ad a "like" button to the board, à la facebook.

[Huathe]

I recently encountered The Fey a couple of days ago. The pesky wee sprites seem to have no sense of "community", unlike us OBODs who support and are kind to each other.

I think the admins should try to ad a "like" button to the board, à la facebook.

This BBS board is capable of it. ENTS uses the same board provider ( Same blue skin ) and it has a " like " button. It also has a handy quick reply window.

[eeepapillon]

Then that means you have decided to beleive in anything you want to without regard to facts, as it is impossible to prove that something does NOT exist.

Basically yeah though I wouldn't put it that aggressively, I just don't want to dismiss things until I'm sure. All I'm saying is if someone tells me something that they believe in is absolute truth and they have some kind of account or evidence for it, then who am I to tell them it's false, because quite frankly no one knows the truth of anything, all they can do is speculate. I've seen things in my life I can't explain and I don't understand, but just because I don't understand doesn't make it untrue. I don't like calling people liars just because I can't see it myself, I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt and at least try to understand where they're coming. I REFUSE to dismiss everything that doesn't line up in a perfect circle, because I am not all-knowing.

above all, don't let skeptics tell you what the acceptable limits to belief are or should be. it's getting easier and you might be lucky if you're destined to see, you may see them as soon as you clear your life for the purpose, but most would need longer. but one thing is certain: anyone who has not tried this experiment - twenty or thirty years of focused in-house training - is really not equipped to comment.

I agree, though I don't have twenty years of focused in-house training, I hope to set up a life for myself where that's possible

[eeepapillon]

Then that means you have decided to beleive in anything you want to without regard to facts, as it is impossible to prove that something does NOT exist.

Basically yeah, I just don't want to dismiss things until I'm sure. Some people like to use 100% proof, I work the opposite. All I'm saying is if someone tells me something that they believe in is absolute truth and they have some kind of account or evidence for it, then who am I to tell them it's false, because quite frankly no one knows the truth of anything, all they can do is speculate. I've seen things in my life I can't explain and I don't understand, but just because I don't understand doesn't make it untrue. I don't like calling people liars just because I can't see it myself, I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt and at least try to understand where they're coming. I REFUSE to dismiss everything that doesn't line up in a perfect circle, because I am not all-knowing.

above all, don't let skeptics tell you what the acceptable limits to belief are or should be. it's getting easier and you might be lucky if you're destined to see, you may see them as soon as you clear your life for the purpose, but most would need longer. but one thing is certain: anyone who has not tried this experiment - twenty or thirty years of focused in-house training - is really not equipped to comment.

I agree, though I don't have twenty years of focused in-house training, I hope to set up a life for myself where that's possible

[cursuswalker]

Then that means you have decided to beleive in anything you want to without regard to facts, as it is impossible to prove that something does NOT exist.

Basically yeah though I wouldn't put it that aggressively, I just don't want to dismiss things until I'm sure. All I'm saying is if someone tells me something that they believe in is absolute truth and they have some kind of account or evidence for it, then who am I to tell them it's false, because quite frankly no one knows the truth of anything, all they can do is speculate. I've seen things in my life I can't explain and I don't understand, but just because I don't understand doesn't make it untrue. I don't like calling people liars just because I can't see it myself, I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt and at least try to understand where they're coming. I REFUSE to dismiss everything that doesn't line up in a perfect circle, because I am not all-knowing.

First of all where is the aggression? I think what you mean is robust criticism

So then, if someone tells you something they believe in is absolute truth then the onus is on them to establish that is the case, precisely because truth IS such an elusive thing. This has nothing to do with lying. It has to do with experience and the verification of the origin of that experience.

I do not doubt that people have experienced things that they call fairies. What I doubt is the true origin of such experiences until such time as evidence is provided that fairies were, in FACT, the origin of those experiences.

So what is this "perfect circle" to which you refer?

[wolf560]

There is something to be said about what others have experienced....
....especially if they are convinced that it is real.

The real trouble becomes whether or not they are really wanting what happened to be real or if they have been able to keep an objective outlook.
Some of us really want a thing to "be" and it is hard not to see seemingly 'connected things' as the coincidence that it is.
On the other hand, many of us have experienced things we did not want to happen or thing we truly did not understand and could not explain.

I tend to believe only after looking at the event with as critical a view as possible.
The trouble is that you never seem to have the things you need to verify what is happening do you?

I can accept that to some people what they experienced 'seems real' at least to them.
The point I might have to say something is when they begin using their UPG experience as a building block to base other things on without proof of either item.

My example was a group of what DJ has so aptly described as 'Hippies' I ran into about a decade ago.
They had a picture taken with a very poor camera that had what they called "floaties" all over the picture.
The picture had been taken in low light in high winds with a very cheap camera... Several pictures had little out of focus 'bubbles' all over the picture.
Everyone said "Ooooh... We have a picture of GHOSTS..!!!"

Soon everyone in the group began searching through their pictures looking for these 'floaties' and everyone began planning 'spirit circles' so they could contact the recently departed dead.
I let it go until it reached a climax where one of the 'senior Hippies' announced that the floaties were in fact 'spirits of the Land' and that these spirits were in communication with him.
As we gathered for our next festival we had over 30 people hanging on his every word, and he began saying "the floaties said..."

That was when I took a few cameras and began snapping pictures of the area.
The really good cameras got clear pictures and the cheap cameras (of course) had "floaties" all over them.
The pictures had 'floaties' because the older cheaper cameras had dust on the interior of the lens. The light bounced off the inside of the camera and was recorded on the pictures.

I began passing the cameras around and as they got into the crowd listening to the 'Hippie' the people began realizing what had happened.

It was 'fun' at first to think we had 'companions watching over us', but of course one person had to take it to the next level....