Heddwen wrote:There is no concept of sin as such, the moralistic and ethical side is self regulating so why(oh why!) do we insist in applying and adapting the moral standards from mainstream religion to our lifestyles?...just a few thoughts...
day_2k wrote:Thank you for your comments and honesty DJ and Wolf, there is a lot to consider! it is a fascinating subject for me and would I would love to hear a non-atheists take on this (would they look here or should I post the relevant question elsewhere?) as well any other thoughts that anyone might have it is one of my favorite things to hear people tell me about their particular take on established ideas and how they manifest.
Please keep them coming I have a lot to learn
DJ Droood wrote:I doubt if there are many "pure" athiests who have rejected any and all forms of superstitious thought...we have all grown up in a culture that is steeped in it, after all. Perhaps the "atheist" simply recognizes it as superstitious thought and admits that his/her superstitious ideations are groundless..but maybe fun, like Santa...(instead of a manifestation of God's wrath against homosexuals, or whatever it is that religious people seem to focus on).
day_2k wrote:Morality and freedom.. a whole forum thread on its own I think! it is great that there are no/less objections to Druids being able to "add on" other belief systems, although this idea of adding on, feels a bit uncomfortable to me, as it sounds like it implies that Druidry needs to be an addition rather than just happily standing on its own.
The idea that a lot of people seem to see it is a path rather than a religion may be an explanation as to why it is so able to merge with other faiths etc
DJ Droood wrote: Just because you say you are a Muslim-Druid doesn't make it so, unless your own imagination is where the buck stops, and if so, rock on! (and join the OBOD)
day_2k wrote:Memory is falible, eyes can be decieved, so who are we to say that our imagination is not precisely where that buck should stop
Heddwen as a believer do you mind me asking if you think/feel/know that the deities you work with are "real"?
feel free to ignore this if that is too personal to post on such a public board or you just don’t want to talk about it
day_2k wrote:I have always thought it interesting how there seems to so many different names for deities that seem to, at the core of it, share very similar qualities.
If I was a subjectivist, I would just sit in the gardens of my tropical estate and drink beer and not answer the phone.
Heddwen wrote:Good point but I guess that throws up the wider question i.e. why are we debating/discussing anything on a public internet site when we already have preconceived ideas regarding (non)spirituality/religion. Can we change someone elses views? nope, doubtful and wouldn't want to. Could we learn from each other? well I have, being here has opened my eyes to my druid colleagues philosophies, stance and ways of working. I merely expressed my views as a response, there is always something new to learn and as a student of 'life' The Truth is part of my druidic quest and part of knowing myself. This is not to say that I'm not able to sift the gems from the mud. I do try to remain objective and practise a fair bit of skeptical soul searching.
wolf560 wrote:I would like to think that we are talking/discussing/debating about all of these things in an effort to come to a better understanding of what it is that we spend so much time and effort with in our lives.
day_2k wrote:I agree it is a bit of a mute point and does take things a bit far, how did this all start ? I think it might have been me suggestiong that things existing in the imagination can feel just as real as any "non-sensus reality" (as Genesis P-Orridge would call it) and might well cause the same effects magically.
I agree we stop this potentally cyclic discussions on "subjectivist" thinking and get back to the main subject of the thread
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