What do you think about it?

[Atrill]

Actually ancient this ancient symbol?

[Dendrias]

I don't think that neither of these is "ancient".
You are pointing at certain similarities, aren't You? What are You thinking about it?

[Atrill]

As I know, this simbol was created not so far. Wikipedia and other sources say no really much. I think this simbol was created by masonic romantics in early O.T.O. years or something here.

[Muddy Fox]

My kids tell me wikipedia is a joke and anybody can put anything there. A New World Order, the illuminati maybe? Symbolism all around, with some of the richest families in the world being part of it, underground, undercover, but manipulating all the time, dunno.
But if you look around you can find symbols, in nature, and meanings in art and pictures, notes and coins, stained glass windows, songs and hymns and so on everywhere, in fact. Druids/Masons, maybe exceptional at putting the obvious in front of you, but only those with eyes will see and those with ears will hear. Bunch of buggers!

[Bracken]

They're just triangular.

[Muddy Fox]

Shall we bring MacDonalds into it now? Maccy Dees? And the M?

[Bracken]

Maccy Dees! Angelique, you've got to be from up here somewhere.

[Muddy Fox]

Could well be, I'm a mixture of this and that, maybe it's inherited, mutual slang, dialects and understanding.

[Ade Sundog]

Wow , i love that floating eye thing.

[Bracken]

Ade, you are just about the funniest man on the planet.

Wow , i love that floating eye thing.

That floating eye thing! Miss you, bro. xxx

[Bracken]

Oh, and, Atrill, welcome to the forum. x

[Twyrch]

As I know, this simbol was created not so far. Wikipedia and other sources say no really much. I think this simbol was created by masonic romantics in early O.T.O. years or something here.

In 1782, Congress appointed a design artist, William Barton of Philadelphia, to bring a proposal for the national seal. For the reverse, Barton suggested a thirteen layered pyramid underneath the Eye of Providence. The mottos which Barton chose to accompany the design were Deo Favente ("with God's favor", or more literally, "with God favoring") and Perennis ("Everlasting"). The pyramid and Perennis motto had come from a $50 Continental currency bill designed by Francis Hopkinson.

Barton explained that the motto alluded to the Eye of Providence: "Deo favente which alludes to the Eye in the Arms, meant for the Eye of Providence." For Barton, Deus (God) and The Eye of Providence were the same entity.

When designing the final version of the Great Seal, Charles Thomson (a former Latin teacher) kept the pyramid and eye for the reverse side but replaced the two mottos, using Annuit Cœptis instead of Deo Favente (and Novus Ordo Seclorum instead of Perennis). When he provided his official explanation of the meaning of this motto, he wrote: "The Eye over it [the pyramid] and the motto Annuit Cœptis allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favor of the American cause."

Sources Used:

Greatseal.com
MacArthur, John D.. "Third Great Seal Committee - May 1782"
Papers of the Continental Congress, item 23, folios 137-139.
Journals of the Continental Congress, June 1782

[Heddwen]

Here's the wiki, I'd always thought that it was the masonic symbol for God, the great architect of the universe,. Thanks Twyrch for your explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

[Atrill]

Thank you all for opinion. I'm curious what everyone thinks about this observation.

[Bracken]

What observation, Atrill?

[Bart]

That the founding fathers were masonic druids.

[Selene]

Just FYI (since at least half of this board's membership reside somewhere other than the USA) the symbol on the right, above, is one of the two symbols found on the back of the US $1 bill (the other is the Great Seal of the United States). Here's what How Stuff Works has to say about it:

The unfinished pyramid and the eye in a triangle on the reverse side are classic symbols. The Egyptian pyramid is a symbol of strength and duration; the 13 steps indicate the original number of U.S. states; and the 13 steps leading to an unfinished summit indicates future growth of the nation. The eye is known as the "Eye of Providence" and is surrounded by rays of light. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, "providence" can mean:

1. a looking to, or preparation for, the future; provision.

2. skill or wisdom in management; prudence.

3. a) the care or benevolent guidance of God or nature, b) an instance of this.

4. God, as the guiding power of the universe.

The single eye shows up in Egyptian mythology as the Eye of Horus, an ancient god of the Egyptians. The eye represented wisdom, health and prosperity. Some people think that the "all-seeing eye" is a symbol of Freemasonry, a fraternal organization, and they interpret this as proof that the Founding Fathers believed in Masonic principles and wanted to impose Masonic order on the United States. This essay about the Eye in the Pyramid addresses that rumor.

[Frog]

A sideline that people might like to look up is the infamous "Hell Fire club" near Dashwood's house in England.

The club met in caves that Dashwood had excavated from the chalk hills - this chalk was supposed to have helped pave some of the local roads, but if you visit them you will realise that this was very much an underground club. There was a central room with a domed roof - with little chambers off to the sides to allow for entertaining (cough! ) and a further chamber that was reached by crossing an underground stream, known as the river Styx. The rumour was that Dark magic was performed here by an inner circle - the ceremonies presided over by the vicar who would organise the "white mass" in the church above the caves (there is a further rumour of a pathway that leads down from the church to the caves. There is certainly a small area big enough for a meeting room in the dome at the front of the church).

The Hell fire club, lead by Dashwood, was supposed to have really got into the whole "dark magic" side - and it was recognised later that many leading figures (Chancellor, members of the Admiralty etc) were members of this club. This was at a time when "mob rule" really did, er, rule, and so anyone with deep pockets would start to align themselves with others with similarly deep pockets so that they didn't find a mob heading down their driveway. It has further been noted that membership also included leading American political figures - on both sides of the Civil War I think - so with what the general feeling is with Masonic Lodges and Memberships to secret societies it is no surprise that groups such as the Illuminati are given credible stance.

[Mountainheart]

Maccy Dees! Angelique, you've got to be from up here somewhere.

Easy test to narrow things down ;-)

:

1) Black peas or mushy peas?
2) Barm cakes or Baps?
3) Fred Dibnah or Les Dawson?

[Muddy Fox]

Mushy peas, baps, Les Dawson
Actually it would be cobs not baps from round our parts. Baps is middle class.