The Druid Grove

by **Lily** » 12 Sep 2006, 21:16

Says Philip Shallcrass:

http://www.druidorder.demon.co.uk/awen.htm

by **Art** » 12 Sep 2006, 21:29

Makes sense to me for I must admit that over the years I’ve been inspired to many things from the silly to the sublime under the influence of women.

by **Seeker** » 12 Sep 2006, 22:17

Ditto!

by **madpoet** » 13 Sep 2006, 16:09

Thanks for posting the link Lily, still reading it, but there are some interesting points presented.

by **wyeuro** » 14 Sep 2006, 01:56

hi, i'm a bit surprised that shallcrass doesn't mention any irish usages of the word. since this is to do with celtic studies not irish language i've opened a thread on it on the celtic studies list. there's an old irish text i think must be older than shallcrass's welsh texts. anyone interested?

wyverne /|\

by **Kernos** » 14 Sep 2006, 02:07

I consider Shellcrass' final paragraph to be the most important in his essay:

But this vision was personal to me. It is for each individual to discover the way, or ways, in which Awen manifests for them, just as we must find our own creative talents through which to make manifest its gift of inspiration, and must each find our own relationship with Deity. And so we see that Awen lies at the heart of the Druid tradition, for it is Awen, the Holy Spirit of Druidry, that provides our true link, not only with the past, but with the deeper reality of the present, and with the infinite possibilities of the future, and which gives as its ultimate gift the recognition of our own divinity.

Awen to me has a distinctly masculine flavor— all boy. Awen to me has nothing to do with divinity which is a concept that has no meaning for me. I understand the spirit of Druidry, but not the Holy Spirit which is much too Christian for me. A part of the spirit of Druidry, a big part, is my search for Awen, not my receiving Awen which would be akin to receiving grace from the Christian god which I do not believe in.

:awen:

by **wyeuro** » 14 Sep 2006, 06:35

hi kernos,
have you seen my pm to you? sent on about the 4th of this month. i'm surprised you haven't answered. did you receive it?
wyverne /|\

COuld have easily missed it. I thought I had PMs turned off... Email is much better for me.

Bill

by **Lily** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:31

kernos wrote:Awen to me has a distinctly masculine flavor— all boy. Awen to me has nothing to do with divinity which is a concept that has no meaning for me. I understand the spirit of Druidry, but not the Holy Spirit which is much too Christian for me. A part of the spirit of Druidry, a big part, is my search for Awen, not my receiving Awen which would be akin to receiving grace from the Christian god which I do not believe in.

I do not perceive "divinity" the way Christianity does, more like awareness or a (feeble) approach to enlightenment. Receiving Awen, to me, does not have the "submissive" air of Christian grace. It is a gift, it's there for those who happen upon it?

wyeuro, does Shallcrass not cite some rather oldish texts in his article?

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