Nicholaas wrote:I agree, since I cannot stand some preaching to me about anything, I in turn try not to do the same to others. I like your lead by example method.
I like to show people numbers. Studies. Data. It's hard to argue with cold hard facts.
Nicholaas wrote:Pretty sure, yeah. And while I may get flack for this....there are no problems with creationism/Evolution. There are simply people who choose to be willfully ignorant of the facts. Yeah, that might be harsh. Yeah, some may call me out of line. But to be honest, I cannot stand it when people put the two on the same intellectual level; they are not. Evolution is right there, in our faces, if we choose to see it for what it is. Creationism (as derived from the creation accounts of Judeo-Christianity) is fantasy, myth, allegory...it's a story about the human psyche, not how life began and thrived.
DJ Droood wrote:unless you were humouring your granny or something, do you really care what someone who believes in "Creationism" or "Intelligent (snicker) Design" thinks? Let them commiserate at bible study.
Nicholaas wrote:DJ Droood wrote:unless you were humouring your granny or something, do you really care what someone who believes in "Creationism" or "Intelligent (snicker) Design" thinks? Let them commiserate at bible study.
Actually, yeah. I'll tell you why: when those people end up in positions of power, unfluence, and great monetary backing, then they have the ability to widely broadcast their beliefs. And they do so aimed at very particular demographics: the young, the uneducated, 3rd world countries, etc. They seek not open dialogue and healthy debate, but to corrupt the minds of those who are more susceptable to their nonsense simply to add to their numbers and propogate their ignorance. Kind of like what Rush Limbaugh does. =P
Another critical fact you won't hear in the mainstream media is that much of the evidence allegedly establishing that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and life has evolved from common origins over the last 2.5 billion years is fraudulent. Yes, fraudulent. Those responsible are dwarves who dwell in vaults dug deep beneath the Swiss Alps.
Indeed, Mr. Charles Darwin was not the bearded Englishman people believe he was. He was, in fact, a Swiss dwarf. He did have a beard, though. All dwarves have beards.
Yes, I am a Lunatarian. I worship the moon, which I believe to be a living creature. A cat, to be precise. A really big, very round cat. In space.
In my faith, we believe it was 3,213 years ago -- plus several months, days, etc. -- that the moon coughed up the most awesome hair ball in the history of the universe. And thus was the earth created.
The dwarves don't want people to know any of this. They prefer dogs.
treegod wrote:So how do you do it?
How do you break the news to someone that humanity could be wiped off the planet because of our own stupidity?
http://thegroveofquotes.wordpress.com/2 ... oomsaying/
katie bridgewater wrote:My preferred tactic? Make sure I am fully prepared for the 'end times' whilst not giving any tips to those too stupid to notice it's coming, in the hope that once the dust has settled, the only humans left will be sensible ones!
DJ Droood wrote: I am all for gloomy pessimism about the future of Civilization, but humanity keeps proving itself to be "resourceful" and "adaptable" and making me look foolish, so I tend to not prognosticate as often as I would like to.
treegod wrote:DJ Droood wrote: I am all for gloomy pessimism about the future of Civilization, but humanity keeps proving itself to be "resourceful" and "adaptable" and making me look foolish, so I tend to not prognosticate as often as I would like to.
Tell us, oh pessimistic prognosticator, your optimistic experience of human resourcefulness and adaptability. Maybe it's enough to make me
Hennie wrote:So if it all ends in disaster, is that really more than a very tiny foot note in the history of the universe, even it means an ending of all live on Earth (for the time being). Of course it all will be accompanied by great (human) suffering and no I am not a masochist, so I am not enjoying any of this. Shouldn't we go out to our partners, children, parents, friends, neighbours etc. and try to bring some consolation, if there isn't any hope anymore?
treegod wrote:Dj Droood is right that we come from survivors. But this isn't going to happen "magically," it takes doing, and I don't see a lot of doing that reflects the desperate situation we're in!
treegod wrote:We have proved we can survive as local "compartments" of the human species, but how does this stand collectively on the global scale? Can we survive together, as a whole species, or are we just going to fall apart once and for all? I believe this is the present test for survival for our species. Will we survive globally and evolve globally or go extinct globally?
DJ Droood wrote: Hopefully go extinct, globally, as a culture...this whole "global" thing is pretty recent...humans evolved and thrived in little pockets of local cultures forever. The OIl Age has produced a poisonous global culture that isn't worth preserving, IMO. I hope (and am confident) we will devolve back to many small, disconnected pockets adapted to our locale.
treegod wrote:But I'm curious Dj Droood, how do you envision humanity becoming "little pockets of local cultures,"
and how can that be maintained?
And also, if you're not so up for a global humanity, why use the internet when it is both a product and tool of modern globalisation?
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