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Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Mika » 24 Apr 2009, 14:57

Hello everyone,

Adam (Treegod in the Message Board) and I are working on a new blog about our latest project that we are developing at The Earth Sanctuary (Where we live and our Druid Grove).
If you want to see what it's all about please have a look here: http://biosphere2030.wordpress.com

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Dryadia2 » 24 Apr 2009, 16:40

Way to go, Mika and Adam! :clap:

Thank you for posting the link to your blog, and Best Wishes! :hug:

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby treegod » 26 Apr 2009, 17:05

*One proud blogger* :grin:
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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Dathi » 26 Apr 2009, 20:11

Greetings Mika & Treegod,
Thanks for that link, what a brilliant thing to be doing.

Reading on from further links on your pages I was fascinated by the notion of remineralisation and of the various links to "Rock Dust". Great idea, so simple, logical and effective! I'd love to hear more about this, perhaps as your project unfolds.....

The links to the Scottish Seer Project were a fine distraction. Great results with a simple idea. I'll be researching this more and doing some small experiments over the next wee while. I have thousands of tiny tomato seedlings sprouting now (results of fallen fruit from an abundant crop in a now wrecked glasshouse). So what I'll do is transplant these in bunches and "dose" each bunch with a different kind of gravel / dust / sand and see what transpires.

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Mika » 27 Apr 2009, 13:02

Dathi wrote:Greetings Mika & Treegod,
Thanks for that link, what a brilliant thing to be doing.

Reading on from further links on your pages I was fascinated by the notion of remineralisation and of the various links to "Rock Dust". Great idea, so simple, logical and effective! I'd love to hear more about this, perhaps as your project unfolds.....

The links to the Scottish Seer Project were a fine distraction. Great results with a simple idea. I'll be researching this more and doing some small experiments over the next wee while. I have thousands of tiny tomato seedlings sprouting now (results of fallen fruit from an abundant crop in a now wrecked glasshouse). So what I'll do is transplant these in bunches and "dose" each bunch with a different kind of gravel / dust / sand and see what transpires.

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Dathi,

How wonderful :) I'd love to hear about your experiments! Actually I'm working for RTE ("Remineralize The Earth"), translating their website into spanish, and I'm learning lots about rock dust just by reading thoroughly :-) In spain, the subject is still not known and we don't have any source of "rock dust" (that I know). Joanna Campe, the president of RTE named me their International Coordinator for Spain two years ago, and for me it is still very difficult to find a good resource. The only contact I have is a mine owner of Leonardita, a natural product made of fossilised humus which seems to be a really good nutrient for the soil but hasn't been recognised as an "organic" product yet, though I know it's entirely natural. I've started to work with this source this year and so far my plants are doing very good. Also, the Leonardita is used by a friend of mine who is an arboriculturist and he says he'd almost call it a "miraculous" product, hahaha. He's my neighbour and we share that kind of information and other cool stuff about trees.
The Uk have worked through it well, so there, you have that possibility of trying those experiments which I'd love to hear about, and maybe we could collaborate and publish some of your results with some pics in my blog at RTE (?) because I'm in charge to spread the word, LOL. And of course, to answer your question; Adam and I will be reporting all of our experiments in our blog, including all the experiments that we could be doing with rock dust when we find a good source. I also considered the possibility of buying overseas so... I'm sure we'll come with something soon :)

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Dathi » 27 Apr 2009, 13:38

Greetings Mika,
Somewhere on the RTE links I saw a comment along the lines of "Some people just get it straight away and other's never get it".
On Sat morning I was watching a documentory about volcanos (Violent Earth?) and there was a fair discussion about how fertile volcanic ash is. It depicted a landscape (Hawai?) immediately after an eruption (grey devastation) and then two years later (dense lush growth). So it was easy to "get it".
I guess the trick is having the right kind of rock to turn into dust. Some of the granites and silica-rich rocks around here might not be great, but there are sources of glacial debris which are seemingly good. Also I note that there is a supplier of the original "Rock Dust" nearby so I might try that out too.

A local company is doing great business with a seaweed fertiliser which is being exported to golf courses around the world. Also, a local fish producer makes a very effective product out of fish waste. Amazingly, this has no smell.

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Dathi » 28 Apr 2009, 07:48

Greetings,
A quick link.... Here is an online book "Rocks for Crops" by Peter van Straaten: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~geology/rocks_for_crops/
Although this has an African focus, there is a huge amount of detail that is of worldwide use, and your man's attitude is good.

"Agrogeology".... I like it!

Agrogeology is broadly defined as ‘geology in the service of agriculture,’ a study of geological processes
that influence the distribution and formation of soils, and the application of geological materials in
farming and forestry systems as means of maintaining and enhancing soil productivity for increased
social, economic and environmental benefits (Chesworth and van Straaten 1993; van Straaten and
Fernandes 1995). This trans-disciplinary approach combines the knowledge of soil scientists and farmers
with that of geologists and process engineers. Soil scientists define the soil limitations and needs,
geologists find, delineate and characterize the geological raw materials that address those needs and
process engineers contribute by concentrating the agrominerals and transforming them into more plant
available forms. Processing technology is to be kept at an appropriate level to reflect the size, grade,
location and end use of the raw material. A close liaison between geologists, process engineers and soil
scientists must be kept throughout the exploration, development process and testing, as is the active
participation of extension officers and farmers. In the agrogeological approach, communication,
consultations and interactions between the different stakeholders are crucial. Farmers and other
beneficiaries should be closely involved in agromineral utilization projects from the early phases of design
to implementation, to modification and finally to the enjoyment of the benefits. They will utilize these
agromineral materials to sustain food and fibre production for the benefit of their families, their
communities and society as a whole.


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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Mika » 30 Apr 2009, 17:44

Dathi,

Thanks for the link! Agrogeology is a wonderful term, I'm going to do some more investigation on this one :)
yes, I know that volcano (igneous rock) is good for the soil as well, and did you know that in some parts of the world they are using "diamond dust" to remineralize the earth?! What I'm looking for in Spain now is for a source of river bed gravel dust as it is one of John Hamaker's recommendation. (oh and BTW, John hamaker is the author of "The Survival of the Civilization" which you can find at the RTE website in a PDF file), it's all very interesting, isn't it?

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Dathi » 30 Apr 2009, 20:40

Yup, all very interesting.
I dunno about diamonds though, might be a bit hard. And "blue earth" (kimberlite) is hostile to plant growth:http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118708088/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

But talking diamonds, a "must read" is Jared Diamond; "Collapse" How societies choose to fail or survive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(book)

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Re: Biosphere 2030 (a project for the next generations)

Postby Mika » 01 May 2009, 08:21

Hello and Happy Beltaine!

:D

I read about diamond dust months ago in the RTE website but I just can't remember where now, I'll have a look...
And I'm going to buy this book :-)

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