Climategate II

[Merlyn]

So... what was left unsaid?
Oil is running out, plain and simple the economy of the Euro and the dollar is based on international trade and oil is at the top of the list.
Oxygen is being depleted, forget the CO2 we are slowly suffocating ourselves.
Contamination from nuclear waste is totally unmanageable, and there is no solution for it.
Misdirection of the governments has led to all of this, hitting the snooze button no longer works.
The most excessive polluters are exempt from the debate.
Automobiles could have been and were, zero emission 30 years ago, but that is water under the glacier now.

And... "Putting renewable resource in the hands of the public will bankrupt the economy because there is no other basis for it any more".

Governments do not want to admit they deliberately dropped the ball on pollution, directly abated every single directive toward stopping it and continue to do so.
So you get what we have here. Total disinformation. And it just took a few leaked e-mails to start the whole curtain to fall from the wizard of OZ.

Climate change is real, happens all the time;
Issued by The National Weather Service
Baltimore/Washington, MD
3:18 am EST, Thu., Feb. 4, 2010
... WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING...
A WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING.
* PRECIPITATION TYPE... SNOW.
* ACCUMULATIONS... THIS STORM IS LIKELY TO PRODUCE 12 OR MORE INCHES OF SNOW IN THE WATCH AREA... WITH A GOOD CHANCE FOR LOCALIZED AMOUNTS OVER 20 INCHES.
* TIMING... SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN LATE MORNING FRIDAY... CONTINUING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING.
* TEMPERATURES... HIGHS IN THE LOWER TO MID 30S FRIDAY. FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY... TEMPERATURES WILL BE 25 TO 30 DEGREES.
* WINDS... EAST 5 TO 10 MPH FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT... BECOMING NORTH 10 TO 20 MPH SATURDAY. GUSTS SATURDAY AROUND 25 MPH.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
THIS STORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE SIMILAR TO THE DECEMBER 19TH STORM. PLAN FOR SUBSTANTIAL DISRUPTIONS TO TRAVEL FRIDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH THE WEEKEND.

And because of the disinformation of things like climate gate, NO ONE is ready for it!


Funny that eh?
Merlyn /|\

[mwyalchen]

Climate change is real, happens all the time;
Issued by The National Weather Service
Baltimore/Washington, MD
3:18 am EST, Thu., Feb. 4, 2010
... WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING...
A WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING.
* PRECIPITATION TYPE... SNOW.
* ACCUMULATIONS... THIS STORM IS LIKELY TO PRODUCE 12 OR MORE INCHES OF SNOW IN THE WATCH AREA... WITH A GOOD CHANCE FOR LOCALIZED AMOUNTS OVER 20 INCHES.
* TIMING... SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN LATE MORNING FRIDAY... CONTINUING THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING.
* TEMPERATURES... HIGHS IN THE LOWER TO MID 30S FRIDAY. FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY... TEMPERATURES WILL BE 25 TO 30 DEGREES.
* WINDS... EAST 5 TO 10 MPH FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT... BECOMING NORTH 10 TO 20 MPH SATURDAY. GUSTS SATURDAY AROUND 25 MPH.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
THIS STORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE SIMILAR TO THE DECEMBER 19TH STORM. PLAN FOR SUBSTANTIAL DISRUPTIONS TO TRAVEL FRIDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH THE WEEKEND.

And because of the disinformation of things like climate gate, NO ONE is ready for it!


Funny that eh?
Merlyn /|\

Utter nonsense, and you know it. Followed by your usual suggestion of a conspiracy.

The cold weather in parts of the US and northern Europe has a simple physical cause - displacement of cold weather systems from the Arctic. Nothing to do with climategate whatsoever.

[mwyalchen]

So here, just for a change: something that is actually relevant to "climategate":

'Hockey stick' graph creator Michael Mann cleared of academic misconduct

The American scientist who produced the "hockey stick graph" showing a sharp rise in global warming was largely cleared of misconduct by an academic investigation today.

The board of inquiry at Pennsylvania State University said it found no evidence that Michael Mann, a leading climatologist, had suppressed or falsified data, tried to destroy data or emails, or misused information. It will convene a second panel to investigate whether he had violated academic practices, including those governing exchanges between scholars.

The university ordered the investigation by three senior faculty members after Mann's name appeared in more than 375 of the hacked emails from the University of East Anglia's climate research unit. Climate change sceptics jumped on one email which describes Mann's solution to a problem as a "trick", a shorthand among scientists and mathematicians, as evidence of an effort to distort data.

The panel dismissed the charge. "The so-called 'trick' was nothing more than a statistical method used to bring two or more different kinds of data sets together in a legitimate fashion by a technique that has been reviewed by a broad array of peers in the field," the panel said.

It also cleared Mann of purposely hiding or destroying email relating to an IPCC climate change report.

It said it found nothing to support the charge that Mann had conspired with like-minded scholars to block competing scholars.

Mann said he was pleased with the decision. "After a thorough review, the independent Penn State committee found no evidence to support any of the allegations against me. Three of the four allegations have been dismissed completely," he said. "Even though no evidence to substantiate the fourth allegation was found, the university administrators thought it best to convene a separate committee of distinguished scientists to resolve any remaining questions about academic procedures. This is very much the vindication I expected since I am confident I have done nothing wrong."

Environmental organisations also welcomed the decision, saying the controversy over the climate hack had been a dangerous distraction.

"This is a step in the right direction that should help us move past the manufactured controversy over the stolen emails," said Peter Frumhoff, director of climate policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "The truth is that global warming is here, it's dangerous, and it is already affecting us."

But Mann has become a favourite target of climate change deniers because of the powerful image of his hockey stick graph, which shows a sharp rise in average global temperature in the 20th century – and they are unlikely to stop now. The graph assembled data from hundreds of studies of past temperatures using tree rings, lake sediment, and glacier ice cores. It was first published in 1998.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... chael-mann

[Merlyn]

1998... wonderful, and he was right .. then. But this is where the climategate fails.

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Now we need that hockey stick to play hockey
We are now in global cooling, and it has no more to do with CO2 than global warming.
This data has been left off the 'hockey ice' deliberately.

It was evident from the surprise of Representative Barton on seeing this graph that witnesses in support of
what I shall call the “official” viewpoint at previous hearings on the question of “global warming” have
somehow succeeded in withholding from the Committee the fact that global temperatures have been
falling rapidly for seven years, contrary to the predictions of all of the computer models on which the UN
relies. The Committee may well wonder what else the “official” witnesses have been withholding.

Lots of science, reference, graphs to see and good comparisons.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/image ... letter.pdf

For a political take on this global cooling; (totally by an independent)
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/glo ... _questions
From someone who is on the Far Far other end of global warming.
He is not a scientist, but he points to many very well known facts.

Now in the supporting arguments for global warming, dead trees and their rings.
I seriously doubt this as a good indicator of temperature change as there are other factors to the ring data.
Mainly rainfall.
But more importantly, sun activity.

In the pro and con of climate gate is substantial data, but the history is the most real, and the history shows climate change is not controlled by our recent activity.
Further, the direct impact of NO2 is being ignored and allowed to continue, while the aim of the governments is totally off course.

No matter if global warming or any number of other man made impacts is truth, the fact is the governments involved are allowing us to be misdirected, the aims would do nothing for the goals and their own history of action shows this very well. That is relative to climategate, and in fact the core of the issue.
If we could trust governments we would have none of these problems today, they are all old news, pointed to 30 years ago.
Gross amounts of waste and destruction have been the result. Since the wake up call of the 60's we have been shut out, told no, given war and every manner of discord but never any real direct action to the problem of pollution.

So why believe them now?
Every person who has stepped up to invent new solutions, make business out of ecology or progressed has been bought out, killed or just *disappeared*.
Eventually we have to see climategate for what it is, a grand political illusion.




Merlyn /|\

[Kernos]

It is like a sinking ship, and people are wondering if we hit an iceberg or if someone drilled a hole in the hull. She is going down, and the shipping company doesn't provide lifeboats, so they are getting the band to play louder and telling everyone over the PA system that nothing is wrong.

The perfect simile, my friend. Well said!

[Merlyn]

We don't need to know the exact science to know that we need to deal with pollution etc. I think what we need (in addition to politics which is unfortunately not going to go away) is small scale action. Every house reduces. Every house generates via wind, sun etc.

Well put Greygnome

The well intended and correct science was not smited by accident.
This was not a random last minute happen-chance.

As DJ Droood suggests, this was an orchestrated failure.
We have our choice to make, and it is up to us to do it.
Climategate sunk, and the band played while the captain took the life boat.

[DJ Droood]

As DJ Droood suggests, this was an orchestrated failure.

Not sure if I would put it that way....it is the end result of a 100 years of a world fossil fuel economy...we all played our part...we all enjoyed the party....I don't think the Democrats or the Rothschilds or Exxon had a diabolical plan. I think humanity just figured out that oil was the most efficient energy medium available, and ran with it, and being very convervative creatures by nature, we are slow to change. It was a pretty good hundred years.

And there are no lifeboats, even for the Captain and crew. Maybe we can jerry-rig something from the tables in the dining room if we hurry.

[Merlyn]

We forget so easily don't we?
When it was coal heating the house, soot was all over the place. "Black Lung" was the result. Remember that? Of course not they all are dead!
Gasoline, heating oil and natural gas was a great thing at the time. Still is for the most part, natural gas being the best of the three.
Warming, cooling or floods is not the issue now. We are simply running out of the easy stuff. And we have an ice age coming! Long overdue and easy to see if we simply look at the history of climate cycles. This is not rocket science.

It is not that climate change isn't happening, it is.
And it is exaggerated by burning of all kinds.

This isn't news at all. This was well known 30 years ago. And all during this time the worst polluters have been given a FREE PASS! China is at the TOP of this list. Industry of all kinds have just blown off the issue and let the government steal the funds.
The grand standing by governments is such a lie! They have taken all the money we gave them for all these decades and failed to stop this from happening.
So.. Do I believe even one word of it now?
And now they want more money!

All those demonstrators were not Fox News or the anti-climate unbelievers.
They were people like me and you who know full well what the industry fed politicians are up to.
If I thought for one second that this was news, this was going to be about stopping pollution, lowering CO2 or even just true at all, I would have been cheering.

Climate gate should be getting our money back, letting people move ahead, stopping those feeding the fire, finally putting alternative energy to use, and not trying to make fuel out of our food supply.

Those protesters know full well their crops will be worth nothing if made into fuel. Those protesters were there, but the government controlled media ignored them.
They are the poor countries who would be left behind and even worse used to fuel the fire.

That is what climate gate is about, but you won't see that in the news.

[DJ Droood]

We forget so easily don't we?
When it was coal heating the house, soot was all over the place. "Black Lung" was the result. Remember that? Of course not they all are dead!

No personal memory, of course, but the atmosphere remembers. According to Jeff Rubin in "Why Your World Is About to Get a Whole Lot Smaller", about 1/2 the Co2 sent up the chim-chimneys in Dickensian England is still up there, and we have burned a lot of coal and other fossil fuels since. It wasn't there before the Industrial Revolution. It doesn't go away.

And to save you the trouble, Merlyn, here is a link about how it is all Al Gore's fault:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2421850/posts

[Merlyn]

It wasn't there before the Industrial Revolution

Nor were the spent fuel rods from "clean nuclear energy",
How many homes are geothermal? (widely available 30 years ago)
Would we just think how many homes have been built in the last 30 years?
Why not? Why the heck use the same energy robbing old electric, gas and oil systems?

Anyway, I do get some fun tomorrow.
We get three feet of snow!
(Yes that will break all the records for the last.... 30 years)...again..this winter..

Now that we know, that the government value added data was trying to take advantage of a warm cycle, and use it as justification for tax.
And the horse left the barn seven years ago, (but they were sure ol' Wilber the global warming horse, makin' too much methane, was still there....)

We really are screwed!

[Binky]

The earth is designed to have a system for dealing with CO2, there are sinks that are absorbing some of the excessive amounts we are pumping out (mostly the sea and an unknown source), but how much longer will they keep absorbing it; once they stop our effective pollution of the atmosphere will accelerate rapidly. Not to mention the trapped methane in the ocean that could be released if it warms too much; and methane even though is in much smaller amounts, is an extremely more effective greenhouse gas.

Coal and Oil formed during the last 300,000,000 years; we have been digging it up and releasing the stored carbon back into the atmosphere within about a 200 year period. Burning the fossil fuels forces it to combine with oxygen and create CO2. So as someone else pointed out we are effectively slowly suffocating ourselves.
And there's the aerosols in the atmosphere that are being pumped out with CO2, they don't survive very long but create global cooling (focused over and down-wind from CO2 heavy producing areas) as they effectively scatter and reflect solar rays back into space before they reach earth. If we cut down CO2 production massively, there will be a large reduction in atmospheric aerosols (they remain there for only 3-5 days), meaning more heat and light from the sun reach earths surface. This could cause another spike in global warming, affecting the climate on a huge scale; after all it is a complex system that can vary greatly due to a small influence (read: butterfly effect).

What options do we have?

[DJ Droood]

If we cut down CO2 production massively, there will be a large reduction in atmospheric aerosols (they remain there for only 3-5 days), meaning more heat and light from the sun reach earths surface. This could cause another spike in global warming, affecting the climate on a huge scale; after all it is a complex system that can vary greatly due to a small influence (read: butterfly effect).

What options do we have?

A canadian scientist says we could have a global "sunblock", and it would be quite inexpensive, using sulpher and sea salt:

"Solar-radiation management may be the only human response that can fend off rapid and high-consequence climate change impacts," University of Calgary physicist David Keith writes in Nature.

"But because there's particularly been a taboo about talking about this, there's been very little serious work done," Keith said in an interview with the Star.

The "geoengineering" of our atmosphere could involve shooting sulphur particles into the stratosphere to refract sunlight back into space, and creating low-altitude clouds using particles of sea salt.

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/scie ... ntist-says

[Binky]

I think that process would be viable; but as it rightly states governments may switch focus from reducing the cause and finding a longterm solution to that of screening the main problem with cheap and essentially short-term solutions whilst the problem compounds itself. Leaving it until later to try to sort the problem. I think that as a species we are programmed to only effectively respond to immediate threats; in this case I think that time will be too late.

Unfortunately nothing will change if it's only one or two scientists backing the move; they need backing from the big guys for example AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) and NAS (National Academy of Science) for credibility... though their out of character statements a few years ago about the need for quick, decisive action on climate change seem to have been almost dismissed.

And as a bit of a quirky comment (but not to detract from the overall seriousness of this discussion); I am sure Bill Gates could have spared more than a measly $4.5 million to the research.

[DJ Droood]

I think that process would be viable; but as it rightly states governments may switch focus from reducing the cause and finding a longterm solution to that of screening the main problem with cheap and essentially short-term solutions whilst the problem compounds itself. Leaving it until later to try to sort the problem. I think that as a species we are programmed to only effectively respond to immediate threats; in this case I think that time will be too late.

Honestly, I'm not qualified enough to evaluate the science of these questions, but I'm glad people smarter than I are thinking about it and trying to come up with solutions...this is at least a proposed solution, although I suppose it will just be more grist for the mill in the tiresome debate between marxists vs ultra-right nationalists.

[Merlyn]

Sulphur in the atmosphere causes acid rain..
Not a good choice.

CO2 is a basic part of the atmosphere, normal and can cause tree rings to be larger as the plant life thrives on it.
It is naturally recycled, and is also cleansed from the air over time.

Soot and hydrocarbons is another matter, but put into the equation as CO2 by some, not all. Soot settles but is not absorbed by plants, as it is a very different thing.
Of the three kinds of carbon emissions, Hydrocarbons are the main culprit in green house gas emissions which do the most harm. They do so in a secondary way and are thus most often not directly considered a risk to humans, even though they cause serious harm to the environment. By this same reasoning, hydrocarbons are often not directly addressed by environmental action by our governments.

But this is the science of atmosphere, not the politics of climate gate.
How hot is the earth... really?
"The temperature at the core maybe as high as 7000 degrees Celsius."
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PhillipChan.shtml

When we speak of global warming, we are obviously not speaking to the core temperature of the earth.. The .07 temperature increase would be like a drop in the ocean by comparison.

We are not really speaking to the ocean temperature either. but possibly to the ocean surface temperature.
Much of this deep ocean water is between 0-3 degrees Celsius (32-37.5 degrees Fahrenheit)!
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/ ... /temp.html

Then are we speaking of the land surface temperature when we say global warming?
If so then we are able to see this in the link below;
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Global ... 1_M_LSTDA#
We can take note that the land temperature is not at all constant.

Now are we then speaking to the temperature of the atmosphere?
http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/classes/met13 ... p_all.html
In this expanded view of how the atmosphere works in layers, we may then understand what is really happening, and how upper and lower layers affect us.

So then.. (really take a look at this)
Is it real to say we take all of this, over a 100 year time, and say .07 of a degree is something we can average from all aspects of the earth?
If we are going to say "global" we really cannot. Then perhaps now we can see why it was changed to "climate change"
So in doing this we are speaking to our lower atmosphere, that which affects our weather the most.
There is no way to even approach saying the earth temperature is any one thing. It is a very complex system of cause and affect.

Now to put all of this together and get a sense of how CO2 plays its role, what really happens and has happened, and the coming ice age;
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ice/chill.html
Geography creates weather, but even more importantly has affect on the much larger contributor, the ocean.

Now... the hockey stick.

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Nice big one eh?

How was this information made into a hockey stick?
This all assumes a continued growth of population, industrialization, and availability of fossil fuels, cow poop and other factors which are conjecture.
Simply, the hockey stick is not a self-fulfilling prophecy..

As clearly discovered, this hockey stick has to also ignore the past seven years of global cooling, ocean current shift, sun activity and many other factors in the very complex system which is the earth.

We are also having to consider that... oil is running out.
So... If we do reason with the directive of climate gate, we also have to reason with why.

population...
That is a very simple word in all of this, but in fact it is the driving factor of the hockey stick prediction.

Industrialization...
The next word in the equation.

These two factors are really the more important ones. Without them the hockey stick does not exist.
Now... what issues do we really need to control?

Of the two, population expansion = industrialization.
Or is it that industrialization enables population growth?

I would like to think so, but the most populated areas are not always the industrialized ones. So the latter falls as not the driving factor...

Then if you follow this line of reasoning, the real issue is over population of the earth.
and they all need hockey sticks,
At least until the next global warming trend.

So how do we really address the real cause of the hockey stick prediction.
Most would say.. education.

Stop screwing up the earth... literally.

In conclusion of this,
Was this a part of the climate summit talks?
I think it should have been.

However.... we might think, earthquakes are not a part of all of this... or are they?

Plate collisions disrupt these carbon fluxes in a variety of ways, some tending to elevate and some tending to lower the atmospheric carbon dioxide level. It has been suggested that the Eocene, the early warm trend 55 million years ago, was caused by elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide and that a subsequent decrease in atmospheric carbon dioxide led to the cooling trend over the past 52 million years. One mechanism proposed as a cause of this decrease in carbon dioxide is that mountain uplift lead to enhanced weathering of silicate rocks, and thus removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

So what role do the tsunamis play?
Perhaps more then meets the eye.

We have a number of factors that can affect our global ice age and warming cycles that can last in the big picture, far longer than any 100 years.
As much as we might put all of this into a movie, graphs and all, our real issues make us pale by comparison.

The earth may very well wipe us out, like it or not.



Merlyn

[DJ Droood]

Sulphur in the atmosphere causes acid rain..
Not a good choice.

Sulphur dioxide in the atmosphere causes acid rain.

[Merlyn]

True, now imagine pure sulphur in our water supply, directly from the atmosphere.
yuck!

[Merlyn]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 017922.ece
And an associated comment...

Have you ever wondered why you only ever hear the pro AGW argument on the BBC?
The BBC's pension pot is managed by IIGCC read their mission statement-

The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) is a forum for collaboration on climate change for European investors. The group’s objective is to catalyse greater investment in a low carbon economy by bringing investors together to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors. The group currently has over 50 members, including some of the largest pension funds and asset managers in Europe, and represents assets of around €4trillion. A full list of members is available on the membership page

How deep is this scam in the UK?
Climate Gate seems to be a much deeper "deal" than I had expected.

[DJ Droood]

The group’s objective is to catalyse greater investment in a low carbon economy by bringing investors together to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors.

Sounds like a good place to invest...I have all my money locked up in coal-fired generators at the moment. thanks for the tip. I will call my people.

[Merlyn]

Well then...
Let's see
http://www.iigcc.org/

Members of the workstreams are self selected. However, all members must participate in at least one workstream. Workstream coordinators are mainly drawn from fund management members who have specialist in-house staff, whilst pension fund members provide a governance function. Further detail is given in the IIGCC Constitution

Could that be a "self selected bunch of rich investors trying to make a world wide take over?

The following fee scale will apply from 1st January 2008 and be subject to review at a full meeting of the Group:

Fee Scale Value of Assets/Fundsunder management Annual Fee
Asset Owners Asset Managers
1 In excess of £10 billion £5,150 £5,500
2 Between £5 and £10 billion £3,090 £3,300
3 Between £1 and £5 billion £1,545 £1,650
4 Less than £1 billion £1,030 £1,100

For the purposes of fee calculations, the value of assets/funds under management is as estimated at 31st December in the preceding year. The annual membership fee is payable on 1st January each year and is non-refundable. Any new member joining after 30th June in any year may be charged 50% of the annual fee.

Guess is that if you don't have a Billion or so you might not qualify DJ... But let's read on

Institutional funds (i.e. pension funds and charitable trusts) are the primary governance mechanism for IIGCC. Pension funds and their members are amongst those with most to lose if companies and markets are negatively affected by either direct impacts of climate change or by sudden political responses to it. And pension fund members want to have a safe and healthy world to retire into, something which climate change puts at risk. Given that responsible corporate behaviour could do much to minimise the negative impact of climate change, pension funds and other institutional shareholders have an important role to play.

Climate change is a risk which is consistent with pension funds time-frame of interest but fund managers have many reasons for focusing on shorter time-frames. Pension funds therefore have a fiduciary duty to do what they can to ensure that fund managers are taking longer-term risks, like those associated with climate change, into account. IIGCC does not substitute for individual fund managers taking action, but leverages each manager’s effort so that the sum is greater than the parts. Climate change is such a complex issue on such a big scale that no fund manager would claim to be able to respond to all aspects of the challenge if acting alone. By sharing experience and understanding, IIGCC also helps ensure that companies are not being pulled in different directions by investors failing to co-ordinate.

Having pension funds involved creates an important business case for fund manager collaboration. and also allows those pension funds who have made a commitment to taking environmental factors into account within their Statement of Investment principles to demonstrate that this is, indeed, happening.

Seems to be the science of.... money, just a guess

Climate Change is a global issue and companies already face different regulatory frameworks internationally. However, to maximise the impact and efficiency in our most immediate markets, IIGCC will not actively seek to recruit members from outside Europe at this stage. Rather, it will seek to work with regional groupings of investors wherever possible.

Some limitation eh?

Perhaps we can take a look at a few of the members...

Welcome to CCLA

Specialist investment management for charities, faith organisations, and local authorities

CCLA provides the broadest range of funds designed specifically for charities.

We are owned entirely by our charity, faith and local authority clients. We manage our business exclusively for their benefit. This puts us in a unique position to help not-for-profit organisations achieve their aspirations and enable trustees to meet their obligations.

As pioneers of ethical and responsible investment, we are committed to pushing forward a positive agenda for change on behalf of our clients.

We invest money for more charities than any other fund manager in the UK.** We do not offer services to private individuals.

CCLA Investment Management Limited (Registered in England No. 2183088) is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.

Interesting the charity funds are invested and not put where the need is, how novel!

http://www.blackrock.co.uk/index.htm

Lots of very rich investment companies...

So.. this is a very deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep scam.
Things are getting a bit clearer to me now
http://www.iigcc.org/docs/PDF/Public/20 ... tement.pdf

While we will continue to press for an international agreement, we come to the United Nations today to collectively say that investors, businesses, and governments cannot wait for a global treaty before taking action. In particular, countries can act now to catalyze development of a low-carbon economy and to attract the vast amount of private capital necessary for such a transformation.

So in essence this group is working to overthrow the power of all world governments... how interesting
Tricky stuff

we remain firmly convinced that climate change presents both material risks and significant opportunities for investment portfolios,

Hummmmmm........
Taking advantage of disaster... I know a few lawyers who do that, we call them ambulance chasers
But more concerning is the "investment portfolio" direction.
This is the core fault of the recent economic recession.
We call it betting on horses with someone else's money

With the science behind this in doubt, there is a lot of money on the table, so to speak.
And this is obviously far from over.



Alfred Berg
Amundi
APG Investments
ATP
Aviva Investors
Baptist Union of Great Britain **
BBC Pension Trust
Bedfordshire Pension Fund
BlackRock
BMS World Mission **
BNP Paribas Asset Management
BT Pension Scheme
CB Richard Ellis Investors
CCLA Investment Management
Central Finance Board of the Methodist Church
Climate Change Capital
Corporation of London Pension Fund
Cowen Asset Management
DWS Investments
Environment Agency Pension Fund
Ethos Foundation
F & C Management Ltd
Generation Investment Management LLP
Greater Manchester Pension Fund
Grosvenor
Henderson Global Investors
Hermes
Hg Capital
HSBC Investments
Impax Asset Management
Insight Investment
Invicta Capital
Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust **
Kent County Council
London Borough of Hounslow Pension Fund
London Borough of Islington Pension Fund
London Borough of Newham Pension Fund
London Pensions Fund Authority
Merseyside Pension Fund
Northern Trust
PGGM Investments
PRUPIM
Robeco
Roman Catholic Diocese of Plymouth **
Roman Catholic Diocese of Salford **
Schroders
South Yorkshire Pensions Authority
The Church Commissioners for England
The Church in Wales **
The Co-operative Asset Management
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Portsmouth **
United Reform Church **
Universities Superannuation Scheme
West Midlands Metropolitan Authorities Pension Fund
West Yorkshire Pension Fund
William Leech Charitable Trust **
** part of the Church Investors Group

You would be rubbing elbows with a lot of christian charity organizations, churches and stuff like that DJ
Then, of course there is the BBC....

Merlyn /|\