Julysea wrote:If you believe, as I do, that everything is all part of one great consciousness, the whole universe is one and we are all part of it, everything is part of it - is that pantheism, or animism or even atheism? I don't believe that this all-encompassing consciousness is a god in the usual sense of that word, but I do believe it is sacred, as in special. So that means everything is sacred, which also kind of means nothing is. So, I don't believe in a god, which I guess means that my thoughts can't be labelled as anything which ends in a 'theism' unless we radically redefine what is meant by that.
Blaiddwen wrote: DaRC wrote:
In my experience I've found that it's always best to have a straw man handy and the Wiki is a handy place for shooting at or burning
edit - yes Julysea I get what you mean. I tend to call it nature - but a very wide version of nature that includes life, the universe and everything...
Dave, would you elaborate a little more on your world view please?
So my concept of Nature at a highly abstract level means that it includes every part of the universe; effectively everything that is known and unknown to us. So it ranges from the "Pillars of Creation" in the Eagle Nebula down to the smallest bacteria in my gut, not only that but actions and events that are related as well - the laws of physics and maths. Do I need to go on? Hopefully all can see the concept.
Science is a stream of knowledge within the school (pool?) of Natural Philosophy just as Druidry is a stream from the same pool.
Fundamentally this comes back to the question - is Nature conscious? i.e. "knowing, aware" of itself?
I would answer - that we are part of Nature, we are knowing and aware of Nature's existence and thus Nature is conscious.
Is Nature sacred? i.e. "entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy." or "regarded with reverence".
Being a member of OBOD I believe that Nature should be regarded with reverence or veneration.
But lets explore divinity "the quality of being divine; divine nature."
To be divine is to come from God - being the ruler of the universe. If nature is the universe then the rules of nature rule the universe. Thus Nature is the ruler of the universe; Nature is God.
Is Nature God?
This is the tricky one - any word that includes theism means God/Deity. The trouble is that God is such a (human) culturally sensitive word; in the western world this is dominated by the Abrahamic religion's view of a single, mascular deity. Nature is not, IMHO, the Abrahamic view of God. The use of the word God is confusing and open to (mis) interpretation. So whilst I've argued that Nature is God I do not believe that Nature is God due to cultural attachments of the word God. We need another word.
What is God/Deity/ Theism?
Belief in Deity is, once again IMHO, a human construct. I would follow a Jungian pattern here in that it enables a human society to construct Archetypes that helps it's members participate in that society. They are a human filter that enables people to (hopefully) achieve their potential; something of a BS / corporate speak statement I know but I'm struggling to articulate it further. I think people need a belief system which has Theism in the title. I've met many atheists who effectively have merely converted to Science as a religion, in the same way that the Natural History Museum was built as a temple to Science.
I myself am a Theist due to my veneration of the spirits of this land via the Germanic deity constructs (whether deities exist is a whole other can of worms).
Hopefully my argument is clear
but I'm here by the fire ready for a toasting