The life-death dilemma

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Re: The life-death dilemma

Postby Attila » 13 Jun 2010, 23:32

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Good points, the way I am seeing this is from a general wisdom perspective ~ kind of as if wisdom is out there. Hence irrespective of particulars; does wisdom allow for a universe to occur [given it can make or destroy that which isn’t wise], then does it allow for a world where intelligent beings can decide to give birth knowing there is death. So in each instance it is wisdom asking the questions, be it a creator or a other or death.

This then gives us the universal perspective on why we are here, as it becomes clear that one always chooses the positive. It also becomes clear [in my mind] that wisdom demands an afterlife to compensate the fact that material life inevitably ends in death. Its just kinda handy for wisdom that reality is at its base non material.

that’s how I see it anyway. I can see such perspectives as your within the world though. :)

Side C) Not being born is also not an evil; it is neutral. One unborn feels no joy, for he has no form, but also, on the same ground, feels no grief.


Nor has the chance to! Therefore wisdom would be denying the chance if it took that option.

Best option: Let things be as they are; don't impose anything on existence, either for life or for death.


True but if you don’t decide upon manifesting existence then what can you ‘let be’? all fundamental wisdoms are worked out prior to existence [as I see it] that’s why we live in a universe built of principles.
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Re: The life-death dilemma

Postby FoxPhantom » 14 Jun 2010, 04:17

attila of nazareth wrote:True but if you don’t decide upon manifesting existence then what can you ‘let be’? all fundamental wisdoms are worked out prior to existence [as I see it] that’s why we live in a universe built of principles.


Out of Curiosity, but how is this wisdom, like when we die, we gain the wisdom from our previous life? also, how does wisdom denies for some one never born?
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Re: The life-death dilemma

Postby Druid Faqir » 14 Jun 2010, 17:45

what can you ‘let be’?


Meng-sun-Yang: "If it be so a sudden death would be preferable to a long life; therefore we ought to run on to a pointed sword or jump into deep water to have what our heart yearns for."
Yang Chu: "No. Having once come into life regard it and let it pass; mark its desires and wishes, and so wait death. "When death comes, disregard it and let it come. Mark what it brings you, and be drifted away to annihilation."If you pay no regard to life and death, and let them be as they are, how can you be anxious lest our life should end too soon?"
(Yang Chu's Garden of Pleasure translated by Anton Forke)



You let things be because you are a criss-cross of various elements, mantal as well as physical. You are here, are you not? So what need has one to wory about manifestation? That, shall we say, has been taken care of. You merely adapt, change, drift and...enjoy! :)
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Re: The life-death dilemma

Postby Attila » 14 Jun 2010, 17:56

Out of Curiosity, but how is this wisdom, like when we die, we gain the wisdom from our previous life? also, how does wisdom denies for some one never born?


I am imagining that ceugant [infinity] simply posseses all wisdom or the ability for it. Imagine you throw an idea into infinity, then as it has no limits that idea immediately reaches its completion. I don’t understand how you mean the second question?

"If you pay no regard to life and death, and let them be as they are, how can you be anxious lest our life should end too soon?"


Very wise indeed, :) yet here a little after the fact; wisdom must first decide upon existence and life before it may through its vehicles ascertain such wisdoms.

as we are here and so to is wisdom, for what reason would we not choose to learn its ways, especially when we have come to the decision through wisdom!
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