Ethical Call, BP Oil Spill

[druiddean]

Mass Justice Spell on B.P. this Summer Solstice, June 21st. If you cannot do it on the 21st, try and make it as close as you can, and make it good. Others will be joining us! Make the Ethical call and do the right thing; Pass it on to your Spell strong Brothers and Sisters of Earth-Based religion. ~Fear is for the Prey, not the Predator (/|\)

[Art]

I am rather curious as to whether you’re talking about a “Mass” justice spell or a “Ma’ats” justice spell. Then too, what would be justice? How would you feel if the Divine decided that the most just course was for BP to thrive and prosper thus saving the lives and livelihood of the tens of thousands of people who work in or around the petrochemical industry. Or…for that matter…Decided that BP should suffer and fold thus destroying an entire way of life and driving men, women and children into abject poverty complete with multiple suicides, broken families and children sold into slavery. Then again there’s the middle road where only some of the people are ruined and some thrive or where only those who live in other countries such as the UK and happen to work for BP suffer whilst those here do OK. Just what is “justice” in this case? Which country would you have suffer most to support this yen for vengeance; the US or the UK?

Perhaps it would be more productive to focus energy on the spill itself for a speedy resolution with a minimum impact on the environment. It would certainly seem more prudent to focus on the problem rather than embark on some campaign of bitter vengeance. There will be time for retribution and accounting once the well itself is secure, the coastal environment is on the way to recovery, and we have a full and valid picture of what happened. Right now there’s a tremendous amount of speculation by media talking heads and marginally qualified experts.

By all means BP should not be let off the hook but by the same token that company should not be burned at the stake until the all the evidence is in, the truth winnowed from the bovine excrement, and a valid, complete and prudent evaluation of fundamental fairness in the matter can be made.

[DJ Droood]

Mass Justice Spell on B.P. this Summer Solstice, June 21st. If you cannot do it on the 21st, try and make it as close as you can, and make it good. Others will be joining us! Make the Ethical call and do the right thing; Pass it on to your Spell strong Brothers and Sisters of Earth-Based religion. ~Fear is for the Prey, not the Predator (/|\)

good luck...I don't believe in prayers and spells...but f your day of praying is part of the shifting the public mood towards crippling BP and putting the criminals who run their company behind bars, I support you! The oil will still be there for more responsible companies to extract and run our Hummers. I wouldn't expect much support on this forum, though.

[Dendrias]

I wouldn't expect much support on this forum, though.

I'm very glad that ... but, we've had all this stuff.

[DJ Droood]

I wouldn't expect much support on this forum, though.

I'm very glad that ... but, we've had all this stuff.

All what stuff?

[katie bridgewater]

IMO the most effective 'spell' any of us could make would be to stop using, buying and needing oil from any of the multinational corporations who make billions from selling it to us. And the other magic that might help would be the removal of the 'Corporate I' which allows them the rights of an individual human. Or what about the magical act of cleaning a beach, or washing a bird?
I won't be joining you in your 'mass justice spell', but as my contribution I will continue trying to drive less, avoiding plastic, and campaigning for more regulation of international corporations so that none of them can make money at the expense of all beings, human and other-than-human.

[Dendrias]

You were, DJ Drood, referring to this, weren't You?

Anyway, druideann, good luck and welcome to the forum!

[Merlyn]

Hummmm..... interesting "first post"

Any "spell" exacts it's price, so to speak...

I would rather devote my magical energy to plug the damn hole!
Revenge is never success... bad magic...

Merlyn

[DJ Droood]

You were, DJ Drood, referring to this, weren't You?

Anyway, druideann, good luck and welcome to the forum!

Yes, partly..but there is stuff all over the board (watch your step!) But I think we agree that there is no appetite on the board to criticism BP, or make a big fuss.

[Dendrias]

But I think we agree that there is no appetite on the board to criticism BP, or make a big fuss.

Well, partly. I don't want to make a big fuss of it. Partly, because it has been talked about - the criticism, the big fuss and justice.

BTW: Is Your current avatar a Michelin-man showing me names?

[DJ Droood]

BTW: Is Your current avatar a Michelin-man showing me names?

possibly..I am starting to get tired of him though.

[Dendrias]

I'd like to respond something which, I think, I can't do in English, because I would have to get the right tone into the right words. I'll try: "Funny you should say that."
But now, on-topic:
Let's do all we can to solve the problem - wherever we think the problem lies. All we can implies mobilisation of the masses - why not prayer, spell or ritual? Hitler was prevented from attacking England by a ritual, wasn't he?

(Don't take that for a nazi-/hitler-comparison, please. I'm just showing off with knowledge of wiccan history. With a self ironic grin, of course, but I'm serious.)

[DJ Droood]

Hitler was prevented from attacking England by a ritual, wasn't he?

Well, that and the RAF, but yes, lots of positive thoughts, prayer, spells and rituals can't hurt!

[Merlyn]

asked my water dragon to go down and try and plug the damn hole, but no luck so far.

Perhaps if he gives that strange contraption that was supposed to work a good whack or two...

As for spells, I'll leave that to you Wiccans..

[Corwen]

I'd like to respond something which, I think, I can't do in English, because I would have to get the right tone into the right words. I'll try: "Funny you should say that."
But now, on-topic:
Let's do all we can to solve the problem - wherever we think the problem lies. All we can implies mobilisation of the masses - why not prayer, spell or ritual? Hitler was prevented from attacking England by a ritual, wasn't he?

(Don't take that for a nazi-/hitler-comparison, please. I'm just showing off with knowledge of wiccan history. With a self ironic grin, of course, but I'm serious.)

I think the Russians sacrificing 20 million men on the Eastern Front might have had something to do with it too.

You were, DJ Drood, referring to this, weren't You?

Anyway, druideann, good luck and welcome to the forum!

Yes, partly..but there is stuff all over the board (watch your step!) But I think we agree that there is no appetite on the board to criticism BP, or make a big fuss.

No appetite on the board? You don't speak for me DJ. I am more than happy to criticise BP, and any other company that wreaks environmental catastrophe in the name of profit.

IMO the most effective 'spell' any of us could make would be to stop using, buying and needing oil from any of the multinational corporations who make billions from selling it to us. And the other magic that might help would be the removal of the 'Corporate I' which allows them the rights of an individual human. Or what about the magical act of cleaning a beach, or washing a bird?
I won't be joining you in your 'mass justice spell', but as my contribution I will continue trying to drive less, avoiding plastic, and campaigning for more regulation of international corporations so that none of them can make money at the expense of all beings, human and other-than-human.

I agree, what's the point in magick if with our every other action we support the paradigm which brought about big oil in the first place?

[DJ Droood]

No appetite on the board? You don't speak for me DJ. I am more than happy to criticise BP, and any other company that wreaks environmental catastrophe in the name of profit.

Surely it would be more prudent to wait for all the reports to be tabled before we start finger-pointing?

[Corwen]

Surely it would be more prudent to wait for all the reports to be tabled before we start finger-pointing?

It seems fairly obvious to me that companies shouldn't drill at depths where, should a leak occur, it can't be reliably fixed. I don't need a report to tell me that!

The fact that the regulators, who also knew this, gave the go ahead makes them partly responsible, but the main blame must lie with the Corporate system which must pursue profit at all costs as it is in its nature (like the scorpion and the turtle).

[Merlyn]

The only things BP has made successful effort to do is siphon some of the oil, or any number of ways that will still reap at least some.
They did make an effort to pour mud into the hole which failed, all said & done.

They cut the pipe off at the top of the blow-out preventer, so why not make a cone shaped metal cork-screw and screw this thing shut?

I watched as Obama twisted this all into a new task for congress to push a energy bill. But that of course will not plug this hole.
Seems they all dance around the problem and one thing stands out. None of them, BP, government or regulators, can do the job.

So I have to point at least three fingers, to the problem.
This kind of funny picture is more accurate as the the "Ethical Call", but we also have to see, as you will in the link below, there are many more who are going to face the ethics of peak oil.

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For more to think on;
And to get a perspective on a much wider picture, watch 123&4 of this series. "peak oil" is one of the subjects and truthfully this is a fairly objective and real view.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ironboltbruce

Our world is already changed, already not going to see the ideas being presented and must re-consider all things.
Bitching out BP will do no good at all.

Believe it or not, we will have to completely re-think everything from the food we eat to the very products used in everything we do.
"local" is the answer. This insane outsourcing must end, like getting food from other countries which we could grow in our own, and all the way to producing our own electric power, right where we live, feeding the grid and not ripping up another desert in Africa to build extremely dangerous nuclear power plants which are already in the works.

Don't be casting spells my friend.
Because in essence, you will be casting a spell which will find it's way right to you.

Better to bless the earth with wisdom, then to curse the world of man. Religions already have the latter covered.

With today's "small people" remark by the BP spokesman Carl-Henric , from Sweden, I do have an issue with the out of hand international thing BP has become. This man makes over a million a year, I guess making him a "big person".

To that end a little magic might... make him smaller...

But in all things magical, or spell-binding, we have to pick our "balance" well, and remember what such a thing does.
Perhaps if his favorite sailing boat sank in an oil ruined gulf, it might wake him up from his toxic money driven life eh?

Just the "little" things in life to consider..

[druiddean]

First of all I would like to thank everyone who has posted on this response. Regardless, if my opinions differ from others or not, I do hold them in great respect and honor.

Firstly, to those who consider themselves on a earth based path and feel that the atrocity of the BP ocean floor oil pipes, at this very moment, are still pumping out crude oil from the earth's crust at an alarming rate are in the realm of ambiguous transgression, then I would challenge you to look at pictures, videos, and the news of the devastating effects the BP's negligence is currently doing. I cannot with any stretch of my imagination, would be able to look at thousand, upon millions of dead, oil covered animals that line the Gulf of Mexico's coast, and not be moved. I am personally disgusted that human life, and Earth based Pagans allowed such a catastrophe to be allowed in the first place. The most sickest of all is that Pagans for the most part are largely Apathetic and Complacent over a titanic catastrophe; What is it going to take for us to stand up and do the right thing?

Secondly, A mass Justice spell is no way shape or form a curse. If a Justice Spell is done, and all actions, and trespasses are Justified, then nothing will happen. But would have happened is that Druids and Pagans alike stood up for righteousness, and protection of Mother Earth. Yes, the oil needs to be stopped. Yes, BP is in the wrong. Yes, we put gas in our cars and where rubber on our soles of our feet. But all these things should make us stop and look around at all these injustices and pursue the correct path.

We were born into a world of consumerism, and a non-renewable industrial global society. This was NOT of our own "Free Will"! But what is our Free Will, is our actions we do today, tomorrow and if we decide to perpetuate this Apathetic Attitude that Plagues Paganism and the Druidic Path alike.

Moral of the story? "Do something"

[Merlyn]

Moral of the story? "Do something"druiddean

Well said and I agree completely.
I did something;
I stopped driving to work, 15,000 miles worth of driving each year, eliminated.
My home is geothermal, $3,600 less used by my home.
We grow our own food, and run a restaurant. Not sure but that is a lot saved in carbon fuels and better food.
I ride a motorcycle, getting 40 mpg where ever I go, when I do, and it's usually to the bar, I admit
My Studio was built by me, twice the efficiency of any normal building, do my art work there.
Early on as a young'in I was an Va State DEQ emissions compliance officer & inspector for over 17 years.

Just a few "somethings" I have done.

The best magic, is to stop feeding the "beast"
When everyone else figures out you have it made... they will come around.
If I really wanted to make a magical *balance*, it would be to simply open the eyes of all blinded by;
cheap life, crappy products, junk food, jobs sold out to slave labor, ripping up the lands for greed, and... stuff like that.

So all can see, then the joker looks like a fool.
2012 is just a few seasons away..lots to do, work to be done.