2012: consciousness

[FoxPhantom]

Before I begin, I just want to add that this is just the way I think, and that I do try and be open minded as I can. ( and it's kinda from what I read on Eckhart Tolle, The power of now, and the new earth.) http://www.eckharttolle.com/home/

So if time is changing for a new earth, then I wonder if this also has to do with 2012, and the Mayan Calendar. Since a lot of people keeps on saying it is going to be the end of the world. (or the end of the world as we know it) and stuff. I wonder if the Egoic mind will still exist on then, since I have once heard that 2012 will open conscious to a new level.

[Corwen]

Um, yeah, like the Grand Convergence and all the other great epoch changing moments over the last century when spectacularly and as quick as a flash nothing happened. Humans seem to have an obsession with dates, but they are just numbers and not important to nature.

I predict that terrible and wonderful things will happen in 2012, just like any other year.

As for Mr.Tolle, his website just wanted to sell me things rather than tell me anything about what he teaches. I looked at Wikipedia, which has a tiny precis of his beliefs. I agree with him about the narrowness of ego consciousness, but the statement "the primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but your thoughts about it" is frighteningly New Age in its victim-blaming. Tell that to someone watching their child starve to death.

[Merlyn]

Crystal skulls to Mayan calendars,
I guess we can throw in the great rapture too eh?

Of crystal skulls,
It was a warning to us not to use crystals to replace the power of our own minds. Well.. we screwed that all up.
Or perhaps the entire knowledge of the universe will be unfolded when the 13 skulls vibrate with the harmonic convergence...

Hard to say, but we will know in a short while. Interesting that, it is 12 25 2012, about the end of that year so we will no doubt see all manner of nut-jobs all year long in 2012.

Of the Mayan Calendar,
Cycles within cycles, accurate to date. Not a bad job, showing they were pretty damn smart, yet not smart enough to have kept from being either wiped out or perhaps they all got on a space ship and left this place. If they were smart they did the latter..

But to the point, yes, we are of the elements and just like we react to a full moon, often have traits related to our astrological signs, we will no doubt be affected by the planetary alignment that 12-25-2012 will bring.

It's funny how people will be depressed, cause all reason for problems, and ask why I don't seem affected, and I tell them, "Of course you feel you are right, but what I see is a new moon, so give it a rest, get back to doing your life like you should and stop trying to convince me I need to screw my life up over your problems".

A full moon makes it difficult for me to sleep, for some reason I feel like I can stay up all night. Of course afterwards, I have to catch up on all that lost sleep.

What exactly will happen on 12-25-2012?
I will be drinking beer, really good beer, while I try to figure out what will happen when I run out of beer, or perhaps I will stand in the field and watch aliens land, or Jesus return or the earth split in two, or some really odd thing that will make me wonder if the beer I have is really good or not....

Until then, stay safe. One thing I am sure of, is that a lot of nut-jobs are going postal!

[treegod]

Yes, things will change. Things are always changing. But a better change is one that is consciously applied. History is no longer something that happens to us it is something we can happen to instead! We don't have to be passive participants.

[FoxPhantom]

Merlyn, I think you brought up a lot of interesting points, and that I agree with you and Tree God about this.
And How were the crystal skulls a sign of danger? (Curious)
And Corwen. Sorry.

[Merlyn]

Well, if it was all about crystal roses it might be different,
They are skulls, both a symbol of death and the part of the body which holds the brain.

This then coupled with the material, crystal; all forms a message.

Now I look into my LCD screed, with the silicon chips humming away, and kind of see the message....

[Baylin]

My first post here which is why no one recognizes me.

It is my supposition that mankind is heading toward a great alteration in its course of evolution. But I think it will be in accordance with our managing to become a far more peaceful and harmonious species than we now are. I think that the whole being of our evolution has to do with attaining harmony with each other and our natural environement, and it is clearly obvious that we are nowhere near that degree of evolved status yet.

2012? Highly unlikely.

What matters more than a specific date is that we strive to achieve that state regardless of how long it takes.

As for preparation for some prophesied date; why waste the now preparing for what might be? We have this life to be whatever our choices make of us, and that includes the choices of each and every moment. What might be may never come for us if we do not survive the choice of this very second.

Being a Panentheist, I suppose strongly in an encompassing consciousness that is continuously built upon by our own experiences, as well as an unknown and mysterious force that is behind it all and as much a real part of it as we are ourselves. I see this consciousness as the original thought of creation by that originating force, and we are a continuation of it; a part of that consciousness that transcends the physical. So, is it possible that this force, this consciousness has pre-designed plans at specific time points? Isn't anything possible in such a world?

[Merlyn]

Welcome to the board Baylin!


Of all the bible, doom & gloom and Koran prophecies, and the cultures which march them lock step into the future with war and all other ways of intimidation, the 2012 prophecy is starkly missing all of this. The culture which had such an amazing ability, far exceeding all the others who have preached the end of time, is simply gone with no explanation. We can assume they all died from some disease, or just got picked up by aliens, but frankly I have seen no evidence of how the Mayans learned what they knew, built what they built or created the accurate calendar we all know points to a galactic and planetary alignment we know is coming in the end of 2012.

We can consider that; much of the prophecy of the bible was driven by early Sumerian text and seemed to be in line with natural disasters like floods and such.
This prediction of 2012 is a mathematical, geometric, planetary, mystery...

Lots of ideas and theories, but most of what might have told us was destroyed by religious book burners, save just four books.

So beer it is, and lots of it, and unlike all the doom and gloom, I agree that for a change we need to consider that not all predictions are for the end of all, and this one may well point to a beginning of an all new and amazing .... hangover

[FoxPhantom]

Interesting idea Baylin, About with conscious being the original design for this world.

Ok, so if it's not going to be a end as we know it, but instead a brand new beginning for everyone, then I can see that it would lead to something not seen before.

[Baylin]

Interesting idea Baylin, About with conscious being the original design for this world.

Ok, so if it's not going to be a end as we know it, but instead a brand new beginning for everyone, then I can see that it would lead to something not seen before.

I just want to make sure that you understand that I did not suggest that 2012 would bring this sudden advancement. I actually see that as being a great distance from where we are now in our evolution.

Of course having said that I want to note what Merlyn said about the Mayans being seemingly far too advanced for their time.

Much of ancient religion reveals coincidental accounts of such similarity that they cannot be ignored as mere coincidence, and among these are suggestions that beings of much farther advanced technologies appeared to suddenly and instantly create civilization from the ignorance of the jungle. They are referred to as ' sons of god', annunaki, and revealed as many of the gods of these ancient religions. Along with these coincidences are the legends of a great disaster taking place that ends the world as they knew it. in some cases suggesting these higher beings as responsible for the disaster through wars of such explosion that the world is destroyed in their battle.

Are these accounts possibly all referring to the same events and beings, but using different names.

Who knows? What I do think is that there certainly could have been times throughout the history of mankind where humans of higher learning, being more evolved had created situations that wiped them out and left behind the lesser evolved to follow behind them. Are we not on the verge of that ourselves right now?

The state of our evolved consciousnesses is always based upon the degree of evolution each has acquired, and that will vary greatly from person to person. If you suppose that to be possible, than one can also suppose that there should be humans capable of much farther advanced states than what we would consider typical ourselves. This is how we advance from generation to generation.

So the question remains, is it possible than that humans of higher evolved status could have taught the Mayans what they know, or that the Mayans themselves were of such status?

IMHO anything is possible when it comes to evolution and consciousness. But as I stated earlier, we must live with what we have now, making our choices moment by moment, and not based upon the unknown possibilities of the future. This not to suggest that we not bother to search for truth at all, but that we refrain from allowing possible truths to inhibit our living in the now unless the reasoning is so possible that it warrants such attention.

[Merlyn]

the obvious is hard to ignore eh Baylin?
How did they cut to perfect specifications and move to place stones which we now cannot without use of heavy equipment and fuel, yet none of these tools or fuels can be found?
How could they design and compute a calendar of such interlocking precision without anything more than sticks, stones and metal?

Truthfully, they could not. It is that simple.
So... what does the alignment mean? How does it "fit" into the mystery?
Two things come to mind;
The earth was a very different place back then, very oxygen rich, full of wild life and frankly more real.
This also brings the thought that.. when this alignment happens... did it then, and will it soon open a doorway, a closer or close enough way for another life form to reach us?

Of the latter. Is it possible that when we are at this point in our galaxy, in our revolving trip of 2000+ years, do we then come close enough for them to visit once again?
And when they do, will we be able to handle it?

Merlyn

[Baylin]

It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out in 2012. Remember the worldwide scare of y2K bug? And how the Mormons stayed in their homes on the eve of 1999 waiting for their prophet to return.


Irregardless, what are our obligations under the prospect? We can only live as we always should, applying logic to our reasoning and communing with creation in a harmonious way. That which others bear upon us cannot affect our choice to live in this way. It may impede our ability to do so the way we would like, but it cannot impede our desire to do so or our choice to die for what we believe, if need be.

The only guarantee we have in this life is that we create what we will become by our decisions and choices. I will not become one who fears the future based upon possibilities. As I said that does not mean that I do not take interest in it or refrain from learning whatever there is to be learned about it. Only that it's notion will not affect my daily choices to be what and who I am for the sake of the collective of humanity.

I see that you have been a druid for some time according to your sig. I hope that there is much that I can learn from you my friend.

[Frog]

For me, 2012 was a date that was set far enough in the future that people could feel safe that the world wouldn't be ended when their god stole the sun from the sky - not unlike science fiction stories which (according to the older ones) would now see us with hover scooters and living on the Moon.

I think I've seen enough National Geographic scare stories to indicate that we will die when:
1. the super Volcano erupts from under Yellowstone National Park
2. the next Tsunami takes to the sea
3. the gulf stream stops
4. the hole in the ozone layer opens and just flash melts the glaciers
5. we are hit by the next asteroid
6. the earth has it's next "wobble" causing general catastrophy.
7. the sun explodes.
All, according to scientists, could happen in the next few years.

So, by my reckoning, with the exception of taking a break to go to the loo, or getting another beer, the world will end now.... err, now... err, now.

(and if you - Now - read this and get to - Now - and suddenly the - now - world ends, you can confidenly - now - turn to the person that you're - now - sitting next to and say - now - that there's this druid called - now - Frog - and he predicted so accurately that - now - he was spot on when - now - the world ended.)

Now.

[Merlyn]

The failure of the predictions made by our present calendar, like on Y2k and so many times before, of course makes us skeptical that anything will happen on 12-25-2012.
Unlike the bible prophecies, something will happen in this case, a galactic and planetary alignment that only comes around after the interwoven cycles of the Mayan calendar.

So at least we actually can know something will take place, and as I mentioned, we do react to the planets, so does our earth. From what I understand of possible space travel, it relies on gravitational pulls to slingshot through space. Much like we orbit and gain speed or use gravity and keep a satellite or space station in place. So if we were visited, and this is possible, then 12-25-2012 will be the most likely time for it to happen once again. On the other hand, as the former, it may be that humans react to this alignment in enlightened ways, making us able to do things "super human" or at least very inspired to the point of knowing how without the normal tools and physical laws we work with now.

The earth has gotten older every time we discover more. There was a time that the bible story was the beginning of all and earth. Now we suspect that life on earth has gone through many changes, and our most recent is possibly inspired by either "the god within" or something or some beings altered our normal evolution.

As advanced as we may feel, as a species, I think we have only scratched the surface of possible insight and wisdom, and the next steps will make our life now seem crude, possibly even suicidal.

An optimist will find the positive, so that is what I am going to do with 2012.

[Baylin]

The failure of the predictions made by our present calendar, like on Y2k and so many times before, of course makes us skeptical that anything will happen on 12-25-2012.
Unlike the bible prophecies, something will happen in this case, a galactic and planetary alignment that only comes around after the interwoven cycles of the Mayan calendar.

So at least we actually can know something will take place, and as I mentioned, we do react to the planets, so does our earth. From what I understand of possible space travel, it relies on gravitational pulls to slingshot through space. Much like we orbit and gain speed or use gravity and keep a satellite or space station in place. So if we were visited, and this is possible, then 12-25-2012 will be the most likely time for it to happen once again. On the other hand, as the former, it may be that humans react to this alignment in enlightened ways, making us able to do things "super human" or at least very inspired to the point of knowing how without the normal tools and physical laws we work with now.

The earth has gotten older every time we discover more. There was a time that the bible story was the beginning of all and earth. Now we suspect that life on earth has gone through many changes, and our most recent is possibly inspired by either "the god within" or something or some beings altered our normal evolution.

As advanced as we may feel, as a species, I think we have only scratched the surface of possible insight and wisdom, and the next steps will make our life now seem crude, possibly even suicidal.

An optimist will find the positive, so that is what I am going to do with 2012.

Agreed. We have a long way to go, but given the possibilities, sudden experiences can bring us a long way in a short time. I can't help but think that in a creation as amazingly abundant and mysterious as ours, that the possibilities are just endless.

[FoxPhantom]

The failure of the predictions made by our present calendar, like on Y2k and so many times before, of course makes us skeptical that anything will happen on 12-25-2012.
Unlike the bible prophecies, something will happen in this case, a galactic and planetary alignment that only comes around after the interwoven cycles of the Mayan calendar.

So at least we actually can know something will take place, and as I mentioned, we do react to the planets, so does our earth. From what I understand of possible space travel, it relies on gravitational pulls to slingshot through space. Much like we orbit and gain speed or use gravity and keep a satellite or space station in place. So if we were visited, and this is possible, then 12-25-2012 will be the most likely time for it to happen once again. On the other hand, as the former, it may be that humans react to this alignment in enlightened ways, making us able to do things "super human" or at least very inspired to the point of knowing how without the normal tools and physical laws we work with now.

The earth has gotten older every time we discover more. There was a time that the bible story was the beginning of all and earth. Now we suspect that life on earth has gone through many changes, and our most recent is possibly inspired by either "the god within" or something or some beings altered our normal evolution.

As advanced as we may feel, as a species, I think we have only scratched the surface of possible insight and wisdom, and the next steps will make our life now seem crude, possibly even suicidal.

An optimist will find the positive, so that is what I am going to do with 2012.

Agreed. We have a long way to go, but given the possibilities, sudden experiences can bring us a long way in a short time. I can't help but think that in a creation as amazingly abundant and mysterious as ours, that the possibilities are just endless.

True, I wonder if it goes up to infinite numbers?