cat wrote:...my earlier point about faith.....the trouble with the human race is we like to fight ...
wolf560 wrote:..and yes, I agree..... "Holy Warriors" and the 'faith' they espouse has rather hijacked the whole belief system in many ways.....
Melhael wrote:In my opinion, I'm not really changing the meaning of "faith". It's just the object of the faith that changes in my case. Faith's pretty much a strong belief, that often relies more on denial of evidence than on the abundance of it. The difference with me is I don't have faith in one or several gods. I have faith in myself, in certain notions like the fact that if one works, one eventually succeeds in achieving one's goals... those sort of things.
By "denial of evidence", I don't mean something bad or stupid, though. Take what I just wrote, for instance: there are countless examples of people who have worked hard, dedicatedly, sometimes all their life, but achieved nothing. That would be evidence that my previous statement is incorrect (which, btw, it is). But I need to push those examples of failure to the back of my mind and focus on the equally numerous instances where people worked and therefore succeeded.
That's faith, to me: actively shaping my representation of how the world works, to suit my purpose. It is, to some extent, irrational. But I know it is, so I'm still in charge.
treegod wrote:Mostly I have faith in life. That living my life, from birth to death, is somehow worthwhile. And that faith is confirmed through experience. So far life has been worthwhile, so my "faith" is justified through experience.
Melhael wrote:The idea of "reclamation" is to voice our disagreement with the notion that "faith" only applies to the belief in god/s and their associated set of rules.
Oneonine wrote:I've always had a keen sense of when someone's dogma feels like pollution, and walked away the same as I do from second hand smoke.
Oneonine wrote:Smoking in public places is banned in the UK now. Advertising is strictly controlled to avoid pushing smoking on kids too.
)Oneonine wrote:I've always had a keen sense of when someone's dogma feels like pollution, and walked away the same as I do from second hand smoke.
wolf560 wrote:The reason I started this thread was to get people talking about this occurrence.
I have had way too many Pagans in the past tell me that "Faith is for Christians".
I wondered if anyone outside of the last thread had seen the same thing.
Since, on that thread, many of us had started talking about it, we all decided to begin a new thread to discuss the concept in detail.
I just went to a Pagan gathering last night, and it happened again.
Several of us simply discussed it and the two people both admitted that they had recently left Christianity and perhaps they were still a bit "raw".
This is what this whole thread was supposed to be about.
How do we get past the concepts?
Why does it happen in the first place?
Can we shift perceptions in this, and for that matter SHOULD we?
For people on a solitary path, perhaps this is not something they see or have been exposed to. That topic was also raised last night and many people said that solitaires do not really understand group dynamics. Some of the solitaires agreed and some did not.
I am not going to say anyone is right or wrong for doing this, nor am I trying to start a fight. I said I would start this thread and so I did.
I think it comes down to tolerance on all sides and I believe that everyone should be able to sit together and evenly moderately discuss things without trying to belittle the other person. The concept of Faith is a topic near and dear to many peoples beliefs....
Personally I would not walk up to bunch of Christians walking down the road and try to correct them on their use of the term. Since Christians are not likely to find themselves at any of my gatherings I doubt I will have the chance to correct them. The only people that I will encounter will probably be recent people who have come to the Pagan Path.
I do not wish to cause problems with these recent Pagans so I will not take anything but a very very cautious and mentoring approach to their use of the word.
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