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A Little Overview...

Postby treegod » 06 Sep 2010, 00:38

This is something inspired by the thread In a Nutshell and by recent reading too.

Proto-Druidry

Ancient Druidry
- PaleoDruidry

Modern Druidry
- MesoDruidry - Revival Druidry - Fraternal Druidry/Cultural Druidry/Spiritual Druidry
- NeoDruidry - Reconstructionist Druidry - Spiritual/Religious Druidry

Remembering of course that not all of them are so clear cut as these and that these represent points in a fairly multi-dimensional spectrum.

I think there are some more terms that I haven't yet dug up that I need to add :whistle:

If anyone wants I'll describe some of the terminology as best I can.
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby wolf560 » 21 Sep 2010, 21:05

Excellent post....

I would hope that followers of each of these "types (or threads or evolutions) of Druidry could openly discuss their beliefs and grow from the experience.

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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby Lailoken » 21 Sep 2010, 22:03

treegod wrote:If anyone wants I'll describe some of the terminology as best I can.


You should, maybe it'll be good for newbies. Slightly off topic, but connected to the definition of Meso-Druidry, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of many of the Druid orders out there, when they formed, why, what orders branched off, when and why, all the way to the present. I toyed with the idea of doing that, but...um...is there an emoticon for being lazy? :)
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby treegod » 30 Sep 2010, 16:22

*bump*

Just a couple of little notes, "neo-Druidry" was, in my understanding a general term for "modern Druidry". The use of it above, in relation to paleo-, meso- and neo was something concocted by the late Isaac Bonewits.

Also another term I found was "underground Druidry". Which I'll have more of a look into.

I shall get back to this soon. :)
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby DJ Droood » 30 Sep 2010, 17:06

treegod wrote:Also another term I found was "underground Druidry". Which I'll have more of a look into.



hmmm..seems kind of redundant, as a tiny sub-culture is almost by definition "underground".

How about simply "contemporary druidry"?
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby wolf560 » 30 Sep 2010, 19:53

treegod wrote: "neo-Druidry" was... "modern Druidry". The use of it above, in relation to paleo-, meso- and neo was something concocted by the late Isaac Bonewits.


I decided to look into at least these three, and found a rather interesting document from 2003 on the web. "The Druid Renaissance" http://orgs.carleton.edu/Druids/ARDA2/doc/2part6-10.doc by Philip Carr-Gomm includes a chapter written by Isaac Bonewits.The following is an excerpt;
Today there are many of us who proudly call ourselves ‘Pagan’...

‘Paleopaganism’ refers to the original tribal faiths... when they were... practiced as intact belief systems. Hinduism, Taoism, and Shinto fall into this category.
‘Mesopaganism’ ... those religions founded as attempts to recreate, revive or continue what their founders thought of as the Paleopagan ways of their ancestors (or predecessors), but which were heavily influenced, either deliberately or involuntarily, by the monotheistic and dualistic world views of Judaism, Christianity and/or Islam. Examples ... include Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Spiritualism, Druidism (...as practiced by the Masonic-influenced fraternal movements...) the many Afro-American faiths (such as Voudoun, Santeria, or Macumba), Sikhism, and several sects of Hinduism that have been influenced by Islam and Christianity.
‘Neopaganism’ refers to those religions creates since 1940 or so (though they had literary roots going back to the mid-1800s), that have attempted to blend what their founders perceived as the best aspects of different types of Paleopaganism with modern ‘Aquarian Age’ ideals, while consciously striving to eliminate as much as possible of all the traditional Western monotheism and dualism. The Church of All Worlds, most Wiccan traditions, ADF and Keltria, are all Neopagan.


I see a gap as well (sorry....) between the Meso and Neo pagan movements. It is the area sometimes known as "Reconstructionist" and the ideology that what once was can be recreated in modern times. the part (I think) that the Reconstructionists avoid is the "New Age" things that permeate so much of Paganism these days.

I might suggest that we use the term "Caprio-Paganism" for the Reconstructionists. 'Capire' essentially means 'to understand'. This was the closest prefix that I could find that codifies what I think the Reconstructionists attempt to do.

One thing I have noted over the years is that "Druids led the rituals" but there was never a mention of "Druidry as a religion". It is my understanding that the Druids led the rites of the tribe in question following tribal beliefs in their particular "Spirit of the Place". This might fly in the face of some who now consider Druidry as a viable religion.

I see Druidry as a compatible belief system that invites and supports a greater understanding of what surrounds and influences me naturally.

Perhaps the labeling of these types of Paganism simply sets boundaries that other people will then have to fight over. Everyone wants to believe that their choices are "right", and this leads to the irritating conclusion that others have to be "wrong". This concept has led to the escalation of conflict and the death of more than one human in the course of history. I feel that anyone can have a thought and it can be "Right" without having the necessity of proving someone else "Wrong".

<OK, off my soapbox now.... :grin: >
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby DJ Droood » 30 Sep 2010, 20:15

wolf560 wrote:It is my understanding that the Druids led the rites of the tribe in question following tribal beliefs in their particular "Spirit of the Place". This might fly in the face of some who now consider Druidry as a viable religion.


only if they were sticking their face in the Iron Age. :o

Everyone wants to believe that their choices are "right", and this leads to the irritating conclusion that others have to be "wrong". This concept has led to the escalation of conflict and the death of more than one human in the course of history.


Are you saying I should call off our raid on the local ADF grove??
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Re: A Little Overview...

Postby wolf560 » 30 Sep 2010, 23:54

LOL..!!!

DJ Droood wrote:Are you saying I should call off our raid on the local ADF grove??


Hmmmm, (running after DJ) wait for me..!!! :grin:
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