Aitrus wrote:I guess I see factory farms as a necessary evil. Without them, millions in cities would starve. With them, we must acknowledge that certain practices must be used no matter how much we dislike them. It's one good reason to eat localy raised meat.
Aitrus wrote:In each of these circumstances, those that eat just veggies will have major nutritional problems after a short amount of time.
Hawthorn_Ent wrote:We are neither bovine or wolf.
DJ Droood wrote:Aitrus wrote:In each of these circumstances, those that eat just veggies will have major nutritional problems after a short amount of time.
I've heard of people called "vegetarians" going for extended periods of time eating only plant matter, but I think they might be an urban legend.
Aitrus wrote:In times of extended emergency or war, vegetarians will be hard-pressed to maintain their diet and stay healthy.
With rare exceptions, there is no location on the planet that the right plants grow naturally to allow for this combination.
Soybeans can produce at least twice as much protein per acre as any other major vegetable or grain crop, 5 to 10 times more protein per acre than land set aside for grazing animals to make milk, and up to 15 times more protein per acre than land set aside for meat production
Soybeans are considered by many agencies to be a source of complete protein. A complete protein is one that contains significant amounts of all the essential amino acids that must be provided to the human body because of the body's inability to synthesize them.
Quinoa was of great nutritional importance in pre-Columbian Andean civilizations, being secondary only to the potato, and was followed in importance by maize. In contemporary times, this crop has become highly appreciated for its nutritional value, as its protein content is very high (12%–18%). Unlike wheat or rice (which are low in lysine), and like oats, quinoa contains a balanced set of essential amino acids for humans, making it an unusually complete protein source among plant foods.
That is true, we are very clever simians.
as a hunter, how could i resist taking a pot-shot at a sitting duck? here 'tis.Sticking my head above the parapet and so a sitting duck so to speak
. but eating turnips involves killing them, they die just as flooded with stress and alarm pheromones as any hunted deer, and there's no reason to believe that their death is a less painful or less grief-stricken death than that of a plump rabbit, calf or brown snake - or more painful or grief-stricken.there is no need for me to kill and eat,
skydove wrote:When someone comes up with the vegetables have feelings too argument all I can say is well shall I shoot myself now and let the worms eat me and the seeds grow in the compost and be done with it
Back at school we were taught in biology that although plants respond to stimuli -trophic responses I think they were called, they did not have such a fully developed nervous system as animals so they were unable to feel pain as an animal did, perhaps science has moved on since then, I dont know, but as I am an animal and I want to live I have to eat something. I do what I personally think is causing less suffering though I know we could argue/ discuss endlessly about degrees, I think I am closer biologically to a deer for instance than a lettuce. The point for me is it's a matter of dare I say spiritual choice what I eat and to kill a sentient animal over harvesting a turnip would give me a huge attack of conscience that I had taken that animal's life away.
As ever it all boils down to doing what you feel you can live with, so I'll go and boil up my turnip for soup!
lthough plants respond to stimuli -trophic responses I think they were called, they did not have such a fully developed nervous system as animals so they were unable to feel pain as an animal did,
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