DaRC wrote:I would suggest that the traditional view is becoming increasingly untenable, at what point should modern Druids start to revise their own worldviews?
think "Celtic" for most people (the hoi polloi, not druid enthusiasts) is probably more about recent history...the famines and clearances...history since about 'Braveheart' and onwards....
before - mind you we are special ;-) but that's another joke...British Exceptionalism
But "Celtic" is a cultural not ethnic definition, I think. Isn't it that "Celtic" is a term used by academics for archeological and linguistic purposes?
I think the "Celtic Myth" is that it comprises an ethnic group.
DaRC wrote:think "Celtic" for most people (the hoi polloi, not druid enthusiasts) is probably more about recent history...the famines and clearances...history since about 'Braveheart' and onwards....
Hmmm but a lot of this is predicated upon a conception that the 'nasty' Anglo-Saxons had a huge migration and
committed effective genocide on the native Celtic Romano-British population. Oppenheimer is suggesting that the
Anglo-Saxon invasion was much more similar to the Norman invasion in that it was a a military elite who took
over and over a couple of centuries became indistinguishable from the native British population.
I am talking about more "recent" events...my Mother's side, for instance, was booted off their land by nasty Anglo sheep farmers in the late 1700's...
DaRC wrote:Edit - I'm related to the MacKay's by marriage (i.e. my wife but she thinks of herself as Yorkshire but her dad is Lancs) my great-grandmother was a Macnaire but I'm English
DJ Droood wrote:we all have a little Mackay in us
DaRC wrote:I think the "Celtic Myth" is that it comprises an ethnic group.
I dare you to shout that in a Welsh pub as they're singing Cwm Rhondda....
Jake wrote:Don't most scholars still hold to some variation of the "traditional" view? I mean not that "Celts" suddenly sprang into a full-fledged and unified existence around Lake Neuchatel and then migrated across Europe and conquered the British Isles and all that 19th century business, but some variation of a more nuanced and complicated notion that nevertheless places Hallstatt > La Tene at the core of "Celtic" ethnogenesis?
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