DJ Droood wrote:Meat eaters today are like 1950's smokers puffing away in the office...they think their lifestyle is perfectly natural and doesn't harm any
one...give it a couple more generations. (not the meat eaters here, though...everyone here only eats meat grown on micro- farms...not the factory stuff)
Mountainheart wrote:However, there is a huge difference between eating meat grown in a natural way on caring farms and eating growth-forced, hormone, chemical and antibiotic stuffed factory farmed animals.
DJ Droood wrote:Mountainheart wrote:However, there is a huge difference between eating meat grown in a natural way on caring farms and eating growth-forced, hormone, chemical and antibiotic stuffed factory farmed animals.
When we talk about meat eating, I think it is almost a given that we are discussing the Mordor Factory Farm system...it is hard to get statistics on this from google, and it varies a bit from country to country, but I don`t think it`would be inaccurate to suggest that 98% of the meat consumed in most of our countries comes from factory beef, chicken and pigs and drift-net tuna. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food
It isn't our natural diet to consume bacon for breakfast, chicken salad for lunch and roast beef for dinner 7 days a week....I think that is just modern (and temporary) First-World gormandizing....an oddity of the oil age.
But the gen pop is nowhere near changing their attitude...bacon is marketed as an essential condiment for every meal that every patriotic male should consume (bacon does seem to be marketed primarily to men, it seems..usually to be eaten while watching a sporting event with buddies)...if something feels/tastes good and is easy, people simply won't stop until they have to.
Mountainheart wrote:I suspect that if you go back far enough humans were probably veg and fruit grazers who interspersed this with large fresh meat feasts when they managed a decent kill and eked things out with sun-dried meat in between. So maybe in today's times it isn't so much snacking that is bad for us but the meals we have in between snacks!
http://www.ajcn.org/content/71/3/665.fullIn conclusion, it is likely that no hunter-gatherer society, regardless of the proportion of macronutrients consumed, suffered from diseases of civilization. Most wild foods lack high amounts of energy and this feature, in combination with the slow transit of food particles through the human digestive tract, would have served as a natural check to obesity and certain other diseases of civilization. Yet today, all non-Western populations appear to develop diseases of civilization if they consume Western foods and have sedentary lifestyles (24). Given these facts, in combination with the strongly plant-based diet of human ancestors, it seems prudent for modern-day humans to remember their long evolutionary heritage as anthropoid primates and heed current recommendations to increase the number and variety of fresh fruit and vegetables in their diets rather than to increase their intakes of domesticated animal fat and protein.
Lily wrote:the paleo diet... although that is too meat heavy for sustaining 7 billion people, back in the stone age that is what we ate, there was plenty of space to hunt - and what our metabolisms are still tuned to - genetics hasn't caught up with culture yet....
so it would be nice if we could find a middle ground there... responsible consumption of animal products...
manhandling meat eh? I don't mind still seeing what part of the animal it is.
I'd love to have the courage to learn to hunt or slaugther so I can at least say I am not too squirmy about the meat I eat.
As for wildlife there would be even bigger emphasis on (in Uk) on pest control on rabbits and pigeons due to the more importance of vegetarian foods.
samurai wrote:I think as said we need more Druids,and more respect for what we consumme.I'm a forager and you can't beat it.
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