Druid origins share your ideas

[curcumambulation]

Please forgive me if this is not the proper place for this, I don't know where else to put it.

You promised the origins of the druids as you see it, i am curious as to how your mind works. Do tell.

Sorry its taken this long to get back to you on this, I just needed to let the energy clear a bit. I don't want to repeat here the same things as in the other thread.

This is my opinion you could call it a theory I guess. I came into this "theory" about 7 years ago while I was meditating on it (this process of meditation lasted for weeks being carried out on a daily basis).

Note: the fallowing dates given are approximations and not meant to be taken literally.

About 200,000-300,000 years ago or so the Neanderthal man was in full force, they hadn't yet met the Homo sapiens and where beginning to learn how to use their minds to control the elements. When Homo sapiens arrived about 50,000 years ago the two came together; subsequently the Neanderthal man disappeared but his genes where mixed with his conquerors and also a portion of his knowledge. I would suspect this may have taken about 5-10,000 years. To make a long story short the white European races came from this mixing, gaining also some the Neanderthal's knowledge of nature and how things work; this knowledge would have been tens of thousands of years old if not hundreds of thousand's, making it very significant. Neanderthal man -- according to science -- had a larger brain making them at the very least as intelligent as ourselves. This knowledge would have persisted until the druids demise around 500 AD. This is why no other group of people on the planet had or has had knowledge or ability like the druids as far as I'm aware. Having had this knowledge handed down generationally the Druids held tremendous insight into the workings of nature and the human psyche, allowing them to achieve amazing feats. Imagine, tens of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge being handed down to people like you and I. This is what I feel was taken from us during the conquest of the Christian army's coming from the Vatican's Rome. (I don't mean to offend anyone by stating this fact, please take it as being only a fact of history. In order to minimize offences I will refrain form pointing out the gore in which this was accomplished.)

This awareness of mine has come from a mix of paranormal experiences (talking to spirits), past life regressions (as being a Druid) as well as little snippets taken from places like Edward Gibbons "The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire" what the Romans kept record of and natural instinct.

Well that's it in a nut-shell...

May you live in your hearts always.

[Lily]

From a purely historic point of view, aren't "druids" considered to only have existed as long as the iron age celts have? before that we have no idea about titles etc.;
if you compare the knowledge of still extant indigenous peoples around the world I would be very cautious about saying that "only the druids" ever had superior knowledge of nature, and from what I know of e.g. the history of the nebra sky disk, this is a prime example of knowledge apparently lost over a few hundred years in the absence of writing.
So I would not assume that all knowledge was passed down without loss.

but I guess history can't argue with data gained from past lives, eh?

From a genetic point of view, neanderthals are thought to have mixed with homo sapiens that had just come out of africa - i.e. neanderthal genes are found in humans from Europe to Asia to the South pacific. so the "white european races" are certainly not the only ones.

[curcumambulation]

Lily, your right about the Homo-neanderthalensis genes being everywhere but in modern Africans, in fact very recent discoveries show that Asians also have DNA from what is known as Denisovans. This only further proves my original point about the isolated European environment such as using the Chinese, for example: The Chinese (as well as others) have long been noted for their deeper insights into alchemy, psychology, philosophy, theology, occult knowledge etc. much as the ancient Europeans where said to have had. These varying groups of Neanderthal-man (it is suggested) where as diverse as modern humans… hence the differences in knowledge. The purpose of this topic is, however dealing with the Druids, not the diversities of every human cultural group that has ever existed… That would take up volumes. Although it is my express opinion that the Druids held magnificent and even fearsome knowledge that was superior in many ways to others, this may sound biased but if you consider the Viracochans (from Graham Hancock's Finger Prints of The Gods. As well as: Harold Osborne's South American Mythology) of the Inca and their description of them then they held God like powers. They sound allot like druids to me if you study their description from these and other sources.

When you suggest that the transfer was immediately followed by modern human’s migration from Africa I believe you are referring to this snippet taken from: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -dna-gene/ “Neanderthals, the study team says, probably mixed with early Homo sapiens just after they'd left Africa but before Homo sapiens split into different ethnic groups and scattered around the globe.”
This to me suggests a high level of speculation and is in no way implied as fact.

Although my “theory” may and probably is flawed it also just as likely may hold greater truths as well.
It is the truths that matter if one looks at the bigger picture.
I would say that:
All theory’s, theologies, philosophies, sciences, psychologies, etc. are omitted or recapitulated into a larger amalgamated construct that lends itself to a much greater knowledge base that is then given to the scrutinies of others as well as future generations to be hashed over and further sorted.
This is in effect my purpose for sharing.

Past lives are a very tricky thing, they must be highly scrutinized and conclusions must be very carefully drawn from them. It is solely relevant to the individual experience; therefore I use it only as source –material from my personnel experiential-value… I only stated it as part of a source/basis for my “theory”.
If we knew all the knowledge that was lost we would be like the “Gods. Again I’m speaking of the Druids in a European setting -- not forgetting about all the others – I would expect it to be common knowledge that higher insights/awareness’s exist independently of each other without need of drawing attention away from the subject being discussed.

I hope this is making my intent more clear. I apologize for not making myself more clear from the beginning… I did the best I could.

May your crops grow magnificently well this season.
May all the good you wish for me be returned to you ten-fold.

[Whitemane]

Only one problem here, there is no evidence that Homo sapiens and H. neanderthalis interbred. In fact it seems more likely that speciation was complete and that any attempt at mating would fail:

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0020421

I wouldn't base any theory about events in pre-recorded history on the possibility of human/Neanderthal interbreeding, certainly not during the entry of Homo sapiens into Europe.

[mark the compost elf]

An interesting history

There does indeed seem to be mixed theories around specific cross breeding, but i like the idea of mixed heritage, gives us different flavours.

You seem to be suggesting that the knowledge is more valid due to it being ancient / from the neanderthals, have a i read this right?
I wonder if one would always class 'old' knowlegde as superior to 'new?

Must admit, in my opinion, it does not matter where the knowledge comes from, merely that it exists to be known and shared in the first place.

Circ, when you say 'learning how to control the elements' are you referring to this magically, spiritually or physically (or all three?)?

[DJ Droood]

There does indeed seem to be mixed theories around specific cross breeding, but i like the idea of mixed heritage, gives us different flavours.

This is from about 6 months ago.

Humans, Neanderthals got it on
By Lily Boisson, CBC News

New genome shows Neanderthal trace in humans

A new study adds more evidence to the theory that humans and Neanderthals interbred thousands of years ago. The study found that many humans outside of Africa share DNA with the long-extinct species.

An international team of researchers has found that a small part of the human X chromosome, which originates from Neanderthals, is present in about nine per cent of individuals from outside of Africa.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story ... eding.html

[Attila]

For pre-druidic religion I’d start here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo ... n_religion
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For druidry specifically I’d start here;

Many ancient authors referred to druidry as a Pythagorean cult [kinda like alchemy] and apparently he’s the guy who wore a pointed hat with stars and moons upon it, though that was a familiar theme in much of Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras

Anything before him isn’t druidry as such, the ancient british religion was probably intertwined with british druidry, but probably existed before Pythagoras. The ridgeway for example was I believe as much a ceremonial route for the priests of that religion as it was used for anything else, and has been traversed for over 5000 years, where Pythagoras existed about 570 – d. about 495 BC, quite some time later.

[Lily]

You seem to be suggesting that the knowledge is more valid due to it being ancient / from the neanderthals, have a i read this right?
I wonder if one would always class 'old' knowlegde as superior to 'new?

Must admit, in my opinion, it does not matter where the knowledge comes from, merely that it exists to be known and shared in the first place.

agree