Entities Help

[Underwood]

Hi,
I wonder if you can help me? I studied with a spiritual group that said it was possible to be taken over by Aliens/entities. I developed a fear of this & fear this might be going happening.
Are you or your higher guides able to offer any higher insight on this?

Any help appreciated,

In thanks.

[Sciethe]

Hello Underwood,
Poor you, sounds as though you have not been well served by your mentors/group. No training is supposed to leave you in a state like that.
Rest assured that most people (even very spiritual individuals) are untroubled by such things, and often being exposed to such ideas in a pressured group are the very thing that lead to difficulties of the sort you describe.

Taking ordinary care of your psyche (doing things you like, eating sensibly, avoiding drugs and excess alcohol, exersize in the great outdoors) will be a great help. Probably you're already doing this, but perhaps it's helpful to have it confirmed that these earthy and simple things are genuinely helpful. The outlandish has an impossible job getting a hold on the placid outward looking mind.
Blessings,
Sciethe

[Underwood]

Thank you for your kind words, I appreciate your support. I will certainly look to seeking refuge in the great outdoors! & do normal things to assist. All this helps to sooth my over active mind, Thank you for your support, much appreciated.

[mark the compost elf]

If you wish to make sure, then try looking at some 'psyhic protection' books and find an excercise that suits you to practise. Really, there is very little out there that is so malicious, stop worrying and relax.

[ShadowCat]

As already said, there's little out in the world that is truly malicious, the biggest danger is really the fear itself: it seems that the fear is hindering you, has taken you over if you will. Fear is the nastiest thing around the block, it paralizes you, and is always present, wreaking havoc on your health. Learning techniques to prevent this very unlikely posibility that you might be "taken" may either help you feel more empowered and lessen your fear, or drive home the idea that there is danger ("why would there be techniques if there's no danger?") and in that way deepen your anxiety.

Try to figure out which way your mind is most likely to swing, and then take action.

In both ways, take care of yourself, talk about your fears (like you do here) with people in real life, medidate, laugh, go out, stay away from mindaltering drugs, overdosing on alcohol and spooky spiritual groups.

If you fall in the first category: go ahead and make a tinfoil hat (just for the fun of it), learn psychic protection, cleanse your space, ask for guidance.
If you fall in the second category: go ahead and make a tinfoil hat, look in the mirror while wearing it and laugh, rent some crappy 60's scifimovies and have a good time watching them with friends.

- - -
A simple technique I first learned when I was 6 (from a fiction book, but hey, it works) was to visualise a little ball of light in your belly ("hara-point") and expand that, inflate it, untill you're safely inside it. Good things come trough, bad things are pushed out and can't get in. You can make it as big as you want, even around your house and friends. If apropriate: ask help/guidance/blessing with it from the higher powers you're comfortable with.

[Underwood]

If you wish to make sure, then try looking at some 'psyhic protection' books and find an excercise that suits you to practise. Really, there is very little out there that is so malicious, stop worrying and relax.

Hi Mark,

I will certainly look up some protection idea to quench my fears. Thanks for the advice!

[Underwood]

Hi Shadow Cat,

Thanks for your support. I will, for the time being look for a light hearted way to get through this. You're right about fearing the ' protection' and feeling worse. I'll stick to one temporally where all entites get released to the light or their highest expression! As for the tin hat, I'll put that on my list to do for next year!

Thank you once again, for your thoughts.

[ShadowCat]

Hi,

I'm glad to read that you've found a way to work with your fears.

You can't go wrong with blessing and thanking in the way you describe it: allowing energies to be released/heightened. And what you send out, will come back, so you'll be releasing your own fears and allowing yourself to reach your highest expression as well. That's a good thing.

Glad I could be of help,

Take care,
Cat

[Aigeann]

I'll send you some protective energy. How's that?

Gentle hugs and peaceful thoughts

[Underwood]

Thank you, I APPRECIEATE it! x

[Underwood]

Hi, are there any experienced druids that know negative entities don't exist? Only I still have a fear of this in my life. - I've tried white light & tried forgetting about it, and it didn't work , it has REALLY affected me.

I was looking into a 'spiritual' group that said I was able to be taken over by entities & I allowed a fear of this to occur. I had an emotional breakdown & went into hospital for two weeks - I have been unable to shake this fear - for over two & 1/2yrs now, & the doctors have said I suffered from a mild psychosis because of my beliefs - I'm on some medication & that hasn't helped.

I'm looking for some actual assistance that will actually help / sort this out.

All input appreciated.

[Sciethe]

Hi Underwood.
There is disagreement among Druids about whether negative entities exist, at least in the way that you seem to mean, i.e. insubstantial sentient things that exist outside you and are evil and interfering. I personally do not believe in these.

This is why.

I have had problems with the kind of thing you're describing, though not as badly I'm glad to say, and I recognise what you're going through. My way through was brought about by reading a book called "A Little Book on the Human Shadow" by Robert Bly. By reading this material I was able, bit by bit, not only to recognise that the darkness came from inside me, but to recognise what it was and put it into perspective. This changed the "entities" to the point where they were no longer a problem. A painful process, because they were part of me. An unwanted part of me, which I had to embrace and learn to love and have compassion for. In short I had to learn to like myself, to do that I had to know myself, which is harder than it sounds.

The fact that this worked, to me means that we are conduits for raw power from our environment, we shape it according to our natures. When something goes wrong with us the shapes that are made can be pretty scary and upsetting, especially if we are powerful conduits.

It is my belief that the key to improving your condition is compassion and love for yourself. The things that you project will then be very different. Get the book. Read it.
Hope this helps.
Sciethe

[Sciethe]

Oh, and if you like fiction another useful book for understanding how pain from the "shadow" can be overcome is the surprisingly dark and wise "A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula Le Guin. This is very explanatory if it's read in the right context. It's practically a step-by-step blueprint for dealing with your particular difficulty. Caution: could give you a temporary rise in nightmares though, and has to be read beginning to end without skipping or peeking. You WILL find that you resist yourself in trying to change.
Very good wishes.
S

[DaRC]

"A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula Le Guin.... has to be read beginning to end without skipping or peeking.

Whilst listening to Santana Abraxas on a loop or is that only me. It's one of my favourite books, there was this one afternoon & into the evening when each track (in the days when you had to get up and turn the record aka vinyl over) just formed a perfect soundtrack to the book.

[ShadowCat]

Hi, are there any experienced druids that know negative entities don't exist?
I'm looking for some actual assistance that will actually help / sort this out.

Hi Underwood,

It's sad to hear that you weren't able to work things out after the previous exchange in this topic.

My question to you now is: what do you seek? what do you really seek?

It seems to me that you seek someone you trust to help you work out these fears, almost like curses that followed you attending this spiritual group. I still stand by my previous advise. Yet my feeling now would be that the best thing for you would be to find someone in your own neighbourhood to help you, to talk in person, meet face to face, and to exchange experiences and help with any work that might help you rid of those fears. I do not think that any virtual assurance from a bigwigdruid will suffice anymore. So maybe there are people on there boards from your neighbourhood that might be willing to help you. Otherwise, seek assistance, either spiritual or psychologically (no, I'm not saying your crazy but it might help you get a grip on runaway fears) in the real world around you.

Best wishes,
Kat

[Explorer]

Hi, are there any experienced druids that know negative entities don't exist? Only I still have a fear of this in my life. - I've tried white light & tried forgetting about it, and it didn't work , it has REALLY affected me.

I am an experienced druid, and I have done and seen lots of stuff. Also things that go well beyond the OBOD training into what some consider 'darker' realms.
And I have never found any evidence of the existence of 'negative entities' (or positive entities for that matter). It is all in our minds.

I did experience effects that could be easily seen that way, but I was always able to understand that in a different light when I emerged from the realms of the imagination back into the here-and-now. (this is why it is so bloody important to make sure that you have a firmly established here-and-now starting point when you start screwing with your mind with things like magic and spirituality).

Our minds are extremely powerful, we can make ourselves believe and experience almost anything. And that has a strong potential for growth, healing, change. But also for stupidity, supersticion and destruction. One of the most important tools that we have as druids is 'common sense'. We can develop it by education (learn how nature really works, and then I don't mean talking to trees or fairies, but the natural sciences). And strenghten that 'common sense' by living in the here and now, as fully and sensuous as possible.

'Negative entitites' don't exist, but the fear is real and damaging. But if you stop adding awarenes and 'energy' to where that comes from I think it might disappear. Many people find it hard to distinguish between the imagination and reality, and when that becomes damaging it seems better to simply leave those spiritual realms behind, and focus on the here-and-now.

In your case, that might be the best advice. Stop with 'spiritual groups' and try to find inspiration, well-being and balance in the world of physical reality.
Focus on the real world around you, the people around you. Your work, nature, the seasons and the weather.

[Lily]

Hi, are there any experienced druids that know negative entities don't exist? Only I still have a fear of this in my life. - I've tried white light & tried forgetting about it, and it didn't work , it has REALLY affected me.

I am an experienced druid, and I have done and seen lots of stuff. Also things that go well beyond the OBOD training into what some consider 'darker' realms.
And I have never found any evidence of the existence of 'negative entities' (or positive entities for that matter). It is all in our minds.

I did experience effects that could be easily seen that way, but I was always able to understand that in a different light when I emerged from the realms of the imagination back into the here-and-now. (this is why it is so bloody important to make sure that you have a firmly established here-and-now starting point when you start screwing with your mind with things like magic and spirituality).

Our minds are extremely powerful, we can make ourselves believe and experience almost anything. And that has a strong potential for growth, healing, change. But also for stupidity, supersticion and destruction. One of the most important tools that we have as druids is 'common sense'. We can develop it by education (learn how nature really works, and then I don't mean talking to trees or fairies, but the natural sciences). And strenghten that 'common sense' by living in the here and now, as fully and sensuous as possible.

'Negative entitites' don't exist, but the fear is real and damaging. But if you stop adding awarenes and 'energy' to where that comes from I think it might disappear. Many people find it hard to distinguish between the imagination and reality, and when that becomes damaging it seems better to simply leave those spiritual realms behind, and focus on the here-and-now.

In your case, that might be the best advice. Stop with 'spiritual groups' and try to find inspiration, well-being and balance in the world of physical reality.
Focus on the real world around you, the people around you. Your work, nature, the seasons and the weather.

thanks for this Explorer.

[Underwood]

Hi Sciethe, thanks for your input - I have bought that little book & am half way through - its certainly an interesting read - (the little book of shadows), I'll look the other one up.

Hi Shadowcat, I see a councillor & also a friend once a week but it doesn't help, I'll keep looking though.

Hi Explorer, thanks for your share, ill take that on board.

It's funny really, or not - lol, I spend half my time trying to forget all about it & the other half looking up self help & somewhere in between I stumble on.

I wonder if finding a healer would help - to help raise / balance my energies & assist me back into well being?
- Are there are healers that do distant healing in Druidry on here?

I ask cos it could help (I know the Ovate level is all about healing - I'm only on the Bard lev)

If not so it is.

[DaRC]

Focus on the real world around you, the people around you. Your work, nature, the seasons and the weather.

Absolutely, what some would call 'negative entities' I would call negative thought patterns.
Perhaps a way to balance the negative is to focus on positive things. Many people have found an outside activity such as gardening, regular walks in nature, mountain biking, running or other outdoor activities provide that connection to nature and that focus on the real world to keep the negative at bay.

[Explorer]

Hi Explorer, thanks for your share, ill take that on board.

I wonder if finding a healer would help - to help raise / balance my energies & assist me back into well being?
- Are there are healers that do distant healing in Druidry on here?

Somehow I detect a misunderstanding here ;-).

The advice of a number of druids here was to find your balance and grounding in the outdoors, physical activity, gardening, here-and-now, etc.
Not in raising energy, zapping demons and sending healing vibrations through the aether. That will probably only make things worse, because it is not where the problem seems to be.

I don't know the extend of your trouble, but if it is really serious then you may want to consider talking to your medical doctor. (these are our 'healers' and 'shamans' in our society).

I realise that this is probably not the answer that you hope for, but it is well meant.