Triath wrote:Hello I am Triath and I practice Setian Philsosophy, Setianism emphasizes Sovereignty rather than submission. I have a predominately British/Irish history and I am looking to work with some magic and mythology of my genealogical history. I am looking to emphasize some of the Left Hand concepts of Drudiry and use them in my Setian practice. Setianism is an evolution of Satanic thought, but has evolved to remove the Judeo Christian concept of Satan, Hell, and Demons. Satanic thought is not associated with hate, death, destruction, or harm of innocent people. This presumption is the concept of many religions who appear intimidated by the Path of Apotheosis.
The Prince of Darkness, or the Principle of Isolate Intelligence, has given man the gift of Consciousness, Reason, and Self Awareness. In a Platonic format Set is the Form of forms. This Self Awareness is cultivated to become independent and Isolate itself thus the individual seeks Divine Consciousness. Theoretically there are 2 universes, Subjective which is assimilated by the individual and Objective the Cosmos in a mathematical and evolutionary sense. The individual receives phenomenon from the Objective Universe and assimilates it into a Subjective Universe. Once the Self or Soul (Psyche) recognizes this they can alter the Subjective and Objective to become a Creator rather than Creation. This requires a foundation of ethics and logic. Subsequently the magic practiced by Setians is labeled as "Black Magic" but this has to do with elevating the Self rather than the original belief that it was only used to create harm and destruction. I have other reasons for why I refer to mine as "Black Magic" one is the avoidance of moral polarity of magic, what I mean is associating White Magic as good and Black as bad. This is often an attempt to set forth a nomenclature that results in whitewashing practices at the behest of some other person or group. Magic is either used to help or harm, for good reason.
I am not a practitioner of "witchcraft" or "wicca" I would refer to Razor for a Goat by Elliot Rose, this can be found on Amazon.com.
Information on Setianism can be found at: http://www.xeper.org
I am looking for some effective books on Druidic Lore and Magic. I do have the Drudiry Handbook, which I have read. I appreciate it's Third Side approach to logical argumentation. This is seeing other opportunities in a debate or argument rather than establishing false dichotomies.
To me that usually seems an extra layer of fluff hiding the real thing
Triath wrote:Proper LHP thinking is one's path to Sovereignty rather than Submission to any sacred cows of religion or society, and not being the most "Evil Kid on the Block." I have stated before that RHP religions seem to be measured in degrees of Holiness and Goodness, whereas LHP religions are assessed from a degree of maturity and rationality. There are alot of nut jobs in the LHP, people who seek it out merely for their own self-destructive habits and sadly they take a great many impressionable people down with them.
Triath wrote:The Prince of Darkness is not necessarily Evil, in the pop cultural sense, Most certainly not Christian. Set is the god against the gods in Egypt, rather than man being given a will to be Submissive and Controllable by the Neteru (gods in Egyptian) Set gives man the Gift of Self Awareness to be like it, an Isolate Intelligence. What has subsequently made us Evil by other standards is:
1. Magic is evil according to many religions, regardless of what "polarity you attach to it." In Christianity all Magic is associated with Satan, even the white magic stuff.
Explorer wrote:Just like I sometimes miss the honest awareness, common sense and intelligence in a purely DHP approach.
And that is where you lose me.
Why do you need a 'prince of darkness' and egyptian gods to press the points of awareness and intelligence? That seems counter productive to me, because you add an extra confusing layer between yourself and reality/life/nature.
Isn't it more effective and realisitic to simply look around you, directly at life and nature, for awareness. And to think about your experiences and about what really happens, for intelligence. (this is also the basis of science by the way).
Plato defined three types of knowing. The lowest is pistis (faith). This means believing something because someone in authority tells you so. The Pope tells you that birth control is wrong, so you know it's wrong. Society is controlled by this level. The next higher way of knowing is dianoia (reasoning). This is the test of reason and logic referred to above. The elites work in this level. The highest knowing is noesis -- direct knowledge. This is the knowing that comes from the divine Self. -Don Webb
ShadowCat wrote:Although I only get started I can't say that I consider Druidry RHP or LHP. When taking on the image of paths, I more often like to use the inner image of a wide landscape with loads of broad walkways and almost invisible tracks. They bend, curve, cross and it's up to the traveler to choose a path. If he looks up from his path, he's see some people to his right and some to his left, but that's just a temporary perpective, not taking in to account the startingpoint and endpoint and crossroads. The thing that appeals me on druidry is that instead of being shown a path and being told to follow it without wandering, your given a map and a compass, thought how to use it, told that's okay to discover your own route and encouraged to meander, track back, and generally look around while walking.
An oral tradition enables experience to be applied and inquiry (via inner work) or enquiry via a Socratic method.
"Erik Havelock has suggested that the famed "Socratic dialectic" - which, in its simplest, consisted in asking a speaker speaker to explain what he has said - was primarily a method for disrupting the mimetic thought patterns of oral culture. The speaker's original statement, if it concerned important matters of morality and social custom, would necessarily have been a memorized formula, a poetic or proverbial phrase, which presented a vivid example of the matter being discussed. By asking the speaker to explain himself or to repeat his statement in different terms, Socrates forced his interlocutors to separate themselves, that is, from the phrases and formulas that had become habitual through the constant repetition of traditional teaching stories."
David Abram, The Spell of the Sensuous
Hennie wrote:Plato, the only source on Socrates' thinking lets him, Socrates, inquire his own thoughts by putting forward a statement and then via questioning his own thoughts to come up with sometimes diametrical conclusions. How Socrates himself worked in his school we really do not know.
Hennie wrote:Ok. I can live with that. If your thoughts are questioned you could feel like some evil spirit searches you.
One of Socrates' purported offenses to the city was his position as a social and moral critic. Rather than upholding a status quo and accepting the development of what he perceived as immorality within his region, Socrates questioned the collective notion of "might makes right" that he felt was common in Greece during this period. Plato refers to Socrates as the "gadfly" of the state (as the gadfly stings the horse into action, so Socrates stung various Athenians), insofar as he irritated some people with considerations of justice and the pursuit of goodness.
Hennie wrote:So there you have it : Druidry, by its practise, must be coined a LHP by the masses. A Druid trying to practise LHP Druidry therefore would be very conforming and pleasing the masses.
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