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Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Phi92 » 26 Feb 2013, 01:07

Hello everyone!

Although it may sound as a silly question because there is no dogma in Druidism, I wonder if many of you accept astrology and other esoteric practices such as tarot, divination, spiritualism, palm reading, dowsing... etc.

Also, what's your stance on alternative medicine, such as homeopathy, bioenergy, acupuncture, crystals, faith healing etc...?

Personally, I'm rather sceptic, so I wonder - can one be highly sceptical/science-minded/critical person and a druid?

I'm looking forward to hear your opinions! :)
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby RedSky » 26 Feb 2013, 01:49

I don't think a belief in anything is required to be a druid. I'm studying astrology largely for the same reason I've studied tarot,
and other things, for insight into my unconscious. Some very ancient symbolism is involved. Human psyche has not changed much
over the last several thousands of years in my opinion. At least not according to the stories and histories that have come down to us.
To answer your question more exactly, I would say that yes, belief in astrology a key component of some peoples druidism and no, not
at all to other peoples druidism. I've not found anyone to be very dogmatic about anything in my couple of years of hanging around.

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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Phi92 » 26 Feb 2013, 01:53

Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated! :)

I'm beginning to love Druidism more and more :D
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby DJ Droood » 26 Feb 2013, 02:21

Phi92 wrote:Personally, I'm rather sceptic, so I wonder - can one be highly sceptical/science-minded/critical person and a druid?


I am in the highly skeptical/bitterly cynical/non-scientific minded camp. I am not at all sure I can be a druid.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby elementalheart » 26 Feb 2013, 10:07

I'm not one for astrology so am glad it has never been considered a key requirement for druidry as far as I've experienced it to date :)

Of the others, some I know work for me, others don't do it for me at all but have some significance to others, and if they get meaning then who am I to deny them that method :shrug:

The local plant hire guy who arrives on his JCB to dig up flooded drains in my field uses dowsing rods to track them, pinpoint where they have been damaged, where they should go, and digs up only that area - successfully every time. He doesn't consider it remotely esoteric and would be horrified to be classed in with spiritualism or palm reading.

And I have used divination for years successfully so it works for me but may not for everyone. I wouldn't have thought much of the concept of acupuncture until I was offered it by someone I trusted, had 3 sessions and never since but I absolutely rate it in the right hands now.

Thankfully we are a diverse bunch with various methods to explore - the exploration and the lack of pressure to accept everything without question is a primary appeal of druidry for me.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Dysgwr » 26 Feb 2013, 11:04

RedSky wrote:I don't think a belief in anything is required to be a druid.


As RedSky says, I dont think its a requirement at all... maybe the only real requirement is an open mind to find what you really believe in and what works for you. :)

Well at least thats what I try and do... Even the stuff in the gwersi should pass through your filters and be weighed up to find what works/doesnt for you.

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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby DaRC » 26 Feb 2013, 11:56

I think the key is an open mind,
plus it all comes down to interpretation and application... for example in divination it is used by some as key to uncover their unconscious motivations and feelings and is a powerful tool in 'knowing thyself'. This is different to some of the traditional views of divination.

Similarly with astrology some may view them as personality patterns, rather than a daily prediction on who you'll meet or what will happen. So maybe people born in January have some similarities due to the month of their birth :shrug: these patterns may not actually be related to the planets or they may and we've just not scientifically worked it out yet.

I suppose the key to Druidry is keeping open to new knowledge and experience, with an understanding of what we truly know and can prove, what is conjecture and what is not known but may yet be discovered.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Treeshrew » 26 Feb 2013, 12:42

Personally, I'm rather sceptic, so I wonder - can one be highly sceptical/science-minded/critical person and a druid?


Hi, Phi92, me too! :hiya: I take the approach that if a spiritual belief conflicts with science, then the belief has to go. If there's something we cannot prove one way or the other, then I tend to admit I don't know and leave it at that. From what I've seen of Druidry so far, this may not be the most common approach, but it certainly is possible to be a skeptic, and even an atheist and a Druid as well. It depends I think on whether Druidry is seen as a religion, or simply as a useful philosophy or way of life. So far in the OBOD course, I haven't come across much in the way of New-Age 'woo' language apart from a brief discussion of chakras, which can of course be seen just as a tool for mental focus.

When it comes to astrology, there is no evidence that the stars can affect human personality, and certainly no evidence that people can use them to predict future events. In fact, the astrological zodaic is not even an accurate map of the constellations as they appear now! This is due to 'precession', the slight wobble in the earth's orbit that means we have moved relative to the stars since the astrological zodiac was first drawn up thousands of years ago. I guess astrology could be used as a form of introspection, like other divinatory methods, but my biggest problem with it is that it is a vast industry based on fooling people and making money for all those newspaper astrologers out there.

With alternative medicine, it's important not to lump all forms of alternative healing in together. Some, like herbalism, massage therapy and acupuncture have been shown to have some results. Others, like homeopathy have not only been shown to be no more effective than placebo, but actually completely contradict the known laws of physics (ie when you dilute something several times, you don't make it stronger, you make it weaker)! I am concerned with alternative medicine when people use that and don't get proper medical treatment as well. Every now and then you read cases of that happening, and people dying as a result. I have nothing but contempt for the quacks who claim to be able to cure cancer with 'energy healing', and take vast sums of money from sick people to do nothing. :x

I'm with Tim Minchin on this one:

"By definition alternative medicine has either not been proved to work, or has been proved not to work. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine."


I know that this attitude is not going to win me many friends in the druid/pagan community, but nobody can tell you you're not a 'real Druid'. That's up to you to decide and define for yourself I think. Anyway, I'm hardly an expert, but that's my tuppence worth! :whistle:
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Phi92 » 26 Feb 2013, 15:18

Haha, the movie Storm, Dawkins, etc.... I already feel welcome :D

I'm not sure if I'm an atheist, I'm more of a philosopher/researcher of religion, spirituality, metaphysics, ontology and much more.

As a student of philosophy, I'm very drawn to druidism as they, as far as I see it, were Sages and Wisemen.

My belief about a deity is more like a panendeistic deity, such as the Great Spirit of the Native Americans.

I don't think one can use the Great Spirit/God or whatever to influence the world.

Also, I don't believe in astrology, homeopathy, tarot, etc.

About acupuncture, herbalism - I think they are pretty useful and helpful when paired with usual medicine. Plants really do have helpful compounds.

About energy healing, tai chi, qi gong and various other qi practices - I'm not entirely sure, perhaps it can help psychologically or in the long run.

I think it's always good to pair some traditional, alternative medicine with usual medicine. :)
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Treeshrew » 26 Feb 2013, 16:16

From what I've seen, there is a vast range of opinion respresented in Druidry from atheism right through to polytheism, and that's a good thing, I think. Heck, the world would be a very dull place if we all thought the same way all the time! Pantheism and pandeism are definitely pretty common theological approaches within Druidry.

The archetypal image of the wise Druid of the forest is a strong one, and definitely something that inspires me and I'm sure many others to study and practice Druidry/Druidism.

I totally agree about pairing complementary medicine and exercises like t'ai chi with regular medicine, I think the only danger is when people don't use regular medicine at all. There's some pretty good scientific evidence for the benefits of t'ai chi, meditation and other spiritual practices, so they can definitely be useful.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Explorer » 26 Feb 2013, 16:22

Phi92 wrote:Although it may sound as a silly question because there is no dogma in Druidism, I wonder if many of you accept astrology and other esoteric practices such as tarot, divination, spiritualism, palm reading, dowsing... etc.

Also, what's your stance on alternative medicine, such as homeopathy, bioenergy, acupuncture, crystals, faith healing etc...?

Personally, I'm rather sceptic, so I wonder - can one be highly sceptical/science-minded/critical person and a druid?

I'm looking forward to hear your opinions! :)


Yes you can, in fact, in my opinion, we need more druids like that.
There is no dogma in druidry, but there is nevertheless a lot of nonsense.

Often the difference between wisdom and nonsense is not the practises itself, but the people interpreting it. It takes a balanced way of using the mind, common sense, intuition, creativity, etc. And a clear understanding and ability to distinguish between chaff and wheat. The trick is to find that balance, and it cannot be found in the extreme sceptical corner, nor in the the extreme new age/alternative/religious corner. And I found that quest, to find that balance, extremely interesting en enlightning. (and sometimes very frustrating also, but that is okay also).
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Lily » 27 Feb 2013, 20:33

'nother skeptic here , hello :shake:
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Sciethe » 27 Feb 2013, 21:00

And another. I'm a scientist and a pragmatist, no conflict with Druidry at all. Science does not deny us a spirituaity.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby DJ Droood » 27 Feb 2013, 21:57

Sciethe wrote:Science does not deny us a spirituaity.
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I like that point. As wiki says
The term spirituality lacks a definitive definition,[1][2] although social scientists have defined spirituality as the search for "the sacred," where "the sacred" is broadly defined as that which is set apart from the ordinary and worthy of veneration.[3]
. Religion has for too long tried to monopolize spirituality. I think spirituality is a quality, or instinct, almost every human is born with. We all search for our own understanding of the world, and to seek out that which touches our "spirit"...could be a bit of religious dogma, could be a sunset, or a symphony. (or all three..or two out of three) I see spirituality as being kindred with sexuality, in that we all seek it and find it and express it in our own way...and it is everyone's birthright.
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Re: Is belief in astrology a key component of druidism?

Postby Dysgwr » 28 Feb 2013, 08:25

Sciethe wrote:Science does not deny us a spirituaity.


Another skeptic here, too.
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