Dave has written:
I would say that this is where the difference between Wyrd and Orlog comes in. The concept you describe reminds me of a mix of karma and the wiccan rule of 3. I don't think of Wyrd like that.
Dave is right.
I openly admit that I didn't come across a description of the concept of Wyrd so far that would have "clicked" with me. I find that part of the Germanic world view (and how they viewed the soul and all this) extremely complicated. There is a lengthy article on The Troth's website ( http://www.thetroth.org/resources/ourtroth/soul.html
) but on first try I found it rather undigestable...
Your definitions later on did help a bit, though.
All of you basically say that the Wyrd can be influenced by one's deeds. This would mean that the Wyrd is not irreversible "cosmic law", but rather a web of interconnected possibilities. Somewhere else I have read the expression "ill wyrd". This could mean anything from "predestination" or "predisposition" to just a moment of bad luck.
I think it was Tyra who said that the Germanic religion was not fatalistic. This struck a chord with me. Our Germanic ancestors are always described as active, industrious people who took "their fate into their own hands". They sailed to the ends of the world, were brave in battle and daring as merchants and inventors. These are certainly not the features of fatalistic people who see no chance to escape their preset fate. There must be possibilities to influence one's Wyrd. This brings negative magic into the game. Dave has said that there is no positive magic without negative magic. It is a very basic truth that to everything positive there is something negative and if we don't believe in predestined fate, we have the choice.
I think there has something fallen into place now in my mind. Thank you all.
honoring the Germanic part of our heritage in Germany is still extremely difficult because of the abuse of that heritage and the public opinion that "everything Germanic", including the Runes, must have something to do with the nazis. Funding for archaeological and historical research into Germanic culture has been almost non-existent until recently, while every Roman stone is well known to us. The publication situation is difficult, Germanic pagan books published in German are extremely rare.
We in Germany are therefore greatly indebted to folks in Great Britain and the US who follow the Germanic path, dig into research, publish books and websites and provide open forums. These are the places where the ancestral Germanic heritage is preserved and developed and it is done very well. Sometimes it is necessary that wisdom goes abroad in order to survive. A big THANK YOU from me as well!!
By the way, I have found an extremely pleasing website:
This is an Asatru radio station in Maine, USA. They provide an archive of their broadcasts, which are a really pleasant and interesting mix of Germanic and Celtic folk music and talks and information. I have never heard something like this before!
I think it is significant that "Asatru" contains "tru" which is "Treue" (fidelity, faith) in German. I think in modern esoteric circles it has become fashionable to blend everything together: a little Crowley here, something Egyptian there, something from Tibet on top and something Celtic in between. I might be not totally innocent here myself. Some people say "if it works for you, it's okay". There is some truth in these words, but at the same time one is running danger to lose something very valuable, the feeling of being at home in a true tradition.... If one has developed a practice of many different elements, one has just that. If one belongs to a true tradition, one's roots are going back far, making up a connection with the ancestors, with the land itself and providing a strong stand in the storms of time.
I think here might be one of the biggest differences between Asatru and Heathenism on the one and Druidry on the other side. Druidry can be many things, a religion, a philosophy, a world view, an initiatory magical path etc. Every question like "how do you see Druidry" will provoke lots of different answers. The Germanic traditions are more clearly defined: They are a religion. Period. "One of the basic functions of a religion is to offer a set of values on which to base one's actions. This, sadly, is one area where Paganism has often failed." (From "The Values of Asatru")
I do enjoy this discussion, this thread is a true place of learning. Thank you!
With best wishes from beneath the Bavarian Alps,