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by **Eilthireach** » 28 Jan 2005, 09:10

Excellent!

Egil's Saga

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/egil/

Njal's Saga

http://www.northvegr.org/lore/njal/inde ... cb3540535e

Eyrbeggja Saga

nothing found - is the spelling correct?

Volsunga Saga

http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Volsunga/

:germ:

Eilthireach.

by **rowanwyze** » 29 Jan 2005, 05:35

Heilsr!
I've been in a class out of town for the last 3 weeks, and am catching up. Great posts!
K, where did you get such a great list of links?
Sisu and Frith

by **Eilthireach** » 09 Feb 2005, 08:24

Greetings!

My work of this winter, my personal Rune poem, is out here:

http://www.druidry.org/board/viewtopic. ... 8b7c9f4a9d

I did 72 meditation session for this since October 2004. It was a long road to walk and I'm somehow glad that it is over. At the same time I must say that this kind of work really gives a personal relationship and understanding of the Runes like nothing else... It is good that I did it.

It is also a good example how OBOD methods can be successfully applied to other topics.

With the treefold blessing of Odin, Vili and Ve,

Eilthireach /|\.

by **DaRC** » 10 Feb 2005, 14:50

Thanks Eilthireach it's a great Rune Poem.

I agree with you that it is the application of Druidic Philosophy to the Germanic knowledge that makes OBOD work for me. It is the long hard roads that are the most worthwhile :-)

Cheers, Dave.

by **VirtHist** » 24 Mar 2005, 22:24

Great to see the Germanic side of things here! I haven't had the chance to read all the threads here, so excuse me if I meantion something already said, but I'd highly recommend The Real Middle Earth by Brian Bates. It gives a great insight into much of the Anglo-Saxon culture.

Kernos, if you need anyone to help you with the battles, I used to teach stage combat and I'm quite happy to be on the side of the Anglo-Saxon-Jutes-Frisians-Franks. This culture gave us so much... and many forget that the Celts used some of their artwork and made it their own.

Peace,

Mak

by **Eilthireach** » 27 May 2005, 08:57

Greetings!

I'm sorry if this is something like a beginner's question, but are there parts of England (I mean England, not Great Britain) that can be considered more or less as a Germanic settlement area and other parts that have been predominantly Celtic? I'm especially thinking of the Arthurian Age, when Celts fought against the Germanic Angles and Saxons.
Aren't the -ex shires originally Saxon: Essex, Wessex, Sussex...?

Eilthireach.

by **DaRC** » 27 May 2005, 15:20

Hi Eilthireach,
the rule of thumb is that East Anglia (Angles) Northumbria (Jutes/Geats) and the Saxons in Essex, Sussex and Wessex (now Hampshire and Dorset). Which leaves the Midlands, Cumbria, Devon and Cornwall as Celt. The -sex suffix (oooerrr) comes from Seax / Saxon.

By Alfred the Great's time Wales and Cornwall remain Celt. Devon and Somerset are 'English' and then there is the Danelaw - which becomes more Norse than Germanic.

During this time Scotland doesn't exist and is Irish (the Scot tribe) in the West, Pict to the North and Saxon to the south. Obviously I am covering 3-400 years of conflict here in a couple of sentences.

FYI on the Isle of Thanet (Kent - a Celtic name!) they think they have discovered the first Saxon settlement.

Cheers, Dave.

by **Eilthireach** » 30 May 2005, 08:27

Thank you Dave! :shake:

Eilthireach.

by **VirtHist** » 31 May 2005, 17:18

There is a lot of debate at present in Anglo-Saxon/Britich ('Celtic') circles with regards to who, when and where they were. Whilst Gildas says that they were 'invited' here to help out with problems the Britons were having with the Picts and the Scotti, the archaeological evidence shows that they'd been settle here since the end of the 4th Century and possibly early.

There is a great chance that it was the rising sea levels of the 4th and 5th Centuries that may caused them make their ways to our shores in greater numbers, but as to their expansion west, there is growing evidence that it was as much a cultural one as a mass migration with possibly even some British choosing their culture.

Far be it from me to correct Dave, but the Northumbrians were Angles, not Jutes... as far as I'm aware. The Jutes are thought to have taken the area around Kent and the Isle of White and parts of Hampshire. In fact there were other Germanic tribes, such as the Franks and Frisians, but they don't tend to get much of a mention.

The Midlands too were ruled by Angles, giving it the name of Mercia. So the six great powers came to be those of Northumbria (of the northeast) , Mercia (of the Midlands), Wessex (of the south), Kent (of the southeast), Essex (of the southeast) and East Anglia of the east. This left the Britons in what is now Scotland, Wales and the southwest (Devon and Cornwall). It used to be thought that they'd all be 'pushed' back to these area, but, as I said above, the theories behind this are changing. It was the Anglo-Saxons who gave the name Welsh, which roughly means foreigner, but in a rather nasty way. This is why those from Wales prefer Cymru, which means companion.

During the Arthrian Age the Britons seemed to have been spending more time fighting one another than the Anglo-Saxons and later we know the British and Germanic forces would join to fighting other Germanic tribes. It's possible they did this in the 6th Century but we just don't know. Maybe the Britons wouldn't consider the option until the Saxons had become Christian like them?

There are heated debates going on as to just how far west the Angles had come by the beginning of the 6th Century. Some dates are flying out of the proverbial window as Germaic finds are being made in places in the west of England they just shouldn't be for the dates they're being shown to originate.

The shires actually stem from the Normans - based on the Saxon model - so any county, such as the one I live in, Shropshire, was set up by them. Names such as Essex, Sussex, ect, come from the Saxon kingdoms.

Peace,

Mak

by **DaRC** » 01 Jun 2005, 12:42

VirtHist wrote:Far be it from me to correct Dave, but the Northumbrians were Angles, not Jutes... as far as I'm aware. The Jutes are thought to have taken the area around Kent and the Isle of White and parts of Hampshire. In fact there were other Germanic tribes, such as the Franks and Frisians, but they don't tend to get much of a mention.

Mak

Oh no - please do correct me :hug:

I was working from memory and thus was talking out of the top of my head!

The Jutes lived in Kent and the Isle of Wight / Hampshire. Up until the 7th Cent they were based around the Isle of Wight until the Gewissae or West Saxons defeated them and killed them all.

Now this bit of genocide is controversial - there is the genocide theory and the theory that contends the non-ruling class remained alive and were all Romano-British who may have adopted Jutish customs whilst the ruling, Jutish, class was wiped out.

Cheers, Dave.

by **Eilthireach** » 02 Jun 2005, 07:12

Greetings Dave and Mak!

I am still listening. :wink:

Supposed I would get to Southern/Southeastern England and would be interested to get a feel for England's Germanic heritage, what would be a good site to visit? What about Sutton Hoo, for example? Is there a museum in England concentrating on Germanic findings/heritage?

Eilthireach.

by **VirtHist** » 02 Jun 2005, 21:08

The English seem to have problem with their Anglo-Saxon heritage and there are only a few places worth a visit. You're not going to get a great sense of the Anglo-Saxon-Jute-Frisian-Frank world in the southeast - or anywhere else for that matter - except if you delve into the placenames. Most of the Anglo-Saxon churches were destroyed by the Normans who replaced them with their own. You can find out about the surviving ones here...

http://www.britannia.com/church/saxchurch/

A must is the reconstructed Anglo-Saxon village of West Stow, Suffolk (East Anglia). I'd also highly recommend the book I'm reading at the moment, Bloodfeud - Murder and Revenge in Anglo-Saxon England by Richard Fletcher.

Here are some websites worth a visit...

http://www.gla.ac.uk/archaeology/resources/Anglo-Saxon/
http://www.regia.org/index.html
http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/saxby/ashall.html
http://darkagessociety.co.uk/home.html
http://www.erauk.org/

by **Eilthireach** » 03 Jun 2005, 07:56

Hello Mak,

thank you very much! Great selection of websites!

Eilthireach.

by **ideagirl** » 23 Jun 2005, 00:12

Eilthireach wrote:After completing the formal studies of the OBOD course I feel that it is now time to look at the other, the Germanic part of my roots.

There's been so much response to this, how interesting! These interests seem to be widespread among us! I am also drawn to the Germanic traditions, though I have very little German heritage (I am at most 1/16th German!).

Are you familiar with the work of Diana Paxson, who co-wrote some of the Avalon novels with Marion Zimmer Bradley? She has a site... here's a link--maybe someone else already posted it, but just in case they didn't, here you go:
http://www.hrafnar.org/
She's also got a site on Germanic oracular tradition: http://www.seidh.org/

Enjoy!

by **Eilthireach** » 23 Jun 2005, 09:59

Hello Ideagirl!

Thank you for the links! I am familiar with the works of Diana L. Paxson, although I must honestly say that I didn't find her Nibelung trilogy (published as "The Daughters of the Nibelungs" (Die Töchter der Nibelungen) in German; might be titled "Wodan's Children in US) too thrilling.
When it comes to "Germanic inspired" fiction, I still prefer the works of Stephen F. Grundy.

But anyway, Diana Paxson seems to be a devoted follower of the Germanic path and she certainly has done her share to bring this tradition forward in the US.

Generally, if I look at the desolate state of Germanic paganism in Germany, we owe much to American and British Asatruars who are keeping the flames alive. But I digress.... :oops:

Alban Heruin blessings from Bavaria,

Eilthireach /|\.

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Howdy All,

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Cheers!

Frith,
Jeb

by **Brannigan** » 21 Aug 2005, 10:16

OswaldJenkins wrote:
the Odinic rite is a really good site

It is indeed a great site - if you are a Nazi, a Racist or a right-wing BNP supporting thug.

I would urge you all to avoid this lot like the plague!

by **Eilthireach** » 22 Aug 2005, 08:57

What is BNP?

Eilthireach.

by **camie cosser** » 22 Aug 2005, 11:07

BNP is the British Nationalist Party.

by **Eilthireach** » 22 Aug 2005, 14:22

Thank you.

Eilthireach.

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